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hello and welcome to the show

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this is podcast UFO and I'm Martin will

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assure humble host and boy am I excited

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is coming up with you well UFO updates

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in just a minute and we have a list

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guest that's a plural tonight first of

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all we have Dave Marlowe he's going to

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be talking about triangle UFOs the

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Battle of LA in our - we have my good

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friend UFO longtime UFO researcher and

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journalist and now a film producer

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writer Lee Spiegel also this is real

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exciting we have the number who I

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consider the number one UFO filmmaker

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James Fox all coming up so I want to

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dedicate this show to a wonderful man

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and that's Alan bean I don't know

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anyone out there have noticed but he

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passed away

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may 26 got to know Allen a little bit

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because I did an interview with him and

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we kind of stayed in touch over the

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years I actually interviewed him with my

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colleague Phyllis back on my antique

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auction forum podcast I did we talked

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about his wonderful artwork he was very

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talented he did moon paintings even

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sometimes with moon dust on them he was

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really funny and a real nice guy and we

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stayed in touch and so I'm gonna be

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playing a clip with him in just a minute

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I want to bring Alejandro in first I

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wonder there's only a few astronauts

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left that actually walked on the moon

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now I think there's like something like

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5 out of 12 or something like that

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so but I know you're enamored with with

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astronauts the same way I am and it was

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really awesome pleasure to talk to Helen

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so yeah luckily I got to interview one

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the last one not the only you know moon

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Walker I really got to interview

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Edgar Mitchell but I did exchange a

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couple emails with him before but was a

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Harrison I can't remember his first name

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Harrison Schmitt Harrison Schmitt yeah

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he's one of what's all about Schmidt

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paranormal topics also he did this whole

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cattle mutilation investigation a long

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time in the past and and actually people

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go look at my bennewitz stuff where you

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read some of the stuff about you know

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Richard Doty and some of this other

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stuff he was right in the middle of all

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of that so there's some good books about

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what he did so very interesting fella

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hey Schmidt I'd like to play a clip of

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with him I talked to him about moon

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rocks so that's about 2 minutes long

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it's a little echoey but I'm gonna play

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that now ok

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Rick I'm excited to hear it all right

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call me up and they said this guy's

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selling this big rock and I said we

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didn't have any rocks we brought back

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they all belong to NASA and the

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government the way frequently I'll meet

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they'll say my uncle has got a big moon

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rock I said I'll say this did he work to

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astronauts he knew him because the UC is

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a restaurant I said really they may be

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their hands in a safety deposit box I'm

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sure that guy believes he has the moon

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rock but I can tell you he does not have

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these little problems yeah they know

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where every fraction of an ounce

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I'm sure I don't think you'll see them

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on eBay either yeah the FBI guy who

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I said he made a fundamental mistake he

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should have claimed that one of the guys

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is dead already three others are dead

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that you brought into it

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sure there's no telling what they'll

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claim I didn't bring anything like that

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anybody all right well well you have it

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here on on tape now so yeah hope will

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protect you walk with her yet won't

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deter people oh yeah good good yeah yeah

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so that's it and what a great guy he was

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you know Alan actually was on the Skylab

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back in September 20th 1973 when they

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had that UFO encounter I don't know if

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he ever saw that the Skylab UFO was a

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great big red blob

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I think they had it for about ten

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minutes so I contacted him I said hey

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know what you think about that but would

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you be kind enough to come on the show

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and talk about that UFO encounter and he

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goes well I'm very busy he very politely

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declined he that's too bad because I

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yeah yeah it was this big organic huge

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red blob in the sky and a break it was

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very bright - after looking - that I'm

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not familiar with that one I personally

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although this hasn't always been the

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choice case but people like Mark

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Dantonio have shown me otherwise have

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been able to prove with all of my

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favorite NASA cases that no those aren't

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UFOs those are something else so I would

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love to see that because personally I

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don't I have I don't feel at this point

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I can point to any picture or video from

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NASA and say that's definitely a UFO so

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I would love to see that one cuz I can't

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recall that and that's a year I was born

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so I'd have been shipped bringing me to

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earth that could have been it Wow

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yeah you have your ship background for

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those people on YouTube you look pretty

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awesome love this way that's a great

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great clip I'm glad I was able to hear

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it because you had talked about it and

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like like you said I I'm a huge fan of

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NASA I love NASA I love talking to

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astronauts astronauts have this ethic

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about them this you know a civic kind of

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responsibility around what they do and I

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know wisdom when you speak with them and

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it's unfortunate that every time I post

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a story about an assassin or not people

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have to talk crap about NASA but I

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completely disagree with every single

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one of you who are talking it's tough

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because I'm a huge fan and I've I've

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said this before I found that group of

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people to be some of the most honest

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people that I've ever met and I've been

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fortunate enough to visit facilities and

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talk with many different staff people

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who work at different NASA facilities

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and they're amazing everyone is

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mind-blowing and I recommend to people

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you know before you subscribe to any

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particular conspiracy theory go meet

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these people because often they like to

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meet people

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you can meet these people you can go to

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these facilities and ask people about

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these things and and they'd love to

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share their work so I remember I also

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asked him I said I don't know about you

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but if I was standing on the moon the

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only thing that would who would just

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take over everything I do is am I gonna

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get off the moon you know you know I'd

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worry about that the entire time like am

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I gonna get hatefully and he said no he

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says he couldn't do that he just had to

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focus on the task in front of him and I

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think yeah that's what they do that's

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what they do

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yeah that's what they often say they've

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them which is wise and often they'll

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even talk about you know even being able

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to enjoy the scenery they don't get much

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time for that because they focus on the

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task and they even talk about which

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makes sense especially when you're doing

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a spacewalk or something that you can

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get overwhelmed by the view oh yeah so

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you have to focus in order to get what

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you're doing done because of course most

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of the tasks that they're performing or

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outside of the ship our kind of

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life-and-death situations they're very

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important for the proper functioning of

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whatever craft or whatever they're doing

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so they have to pay attention to make

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sure that the safety is first

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but yeah I would have the same concern

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as you though I mean I even get freaked

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out flying once in a while when I think

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about being up in the air and this giant

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piece of metal yeah it freaks me out and

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I have to you know turn on Doctor Who or

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something like that to distract myself

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talk to but yeah I would be freaked out

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the whole time I remember my neighbor

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are used to say when I was a kid and I

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was going up in a jet for the first time

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he said well they haven't left one of

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them up there yet yeah it did not help

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yeah yeah yet all planes come down one

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way or the other anyway do we have

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anything we have probably they only have

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like four minutes left for the news do

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we have anything in the UFO updates this

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week yeah I mean I don't know did we

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talk about the Nimitz thing last time I

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not really really recent george knapp

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yeah yeah a lot of great stuff from

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George Knapp and I mean I think

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mainstream media is just starting to

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unpack all of this stuff but you know we

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had this testimony from David flavor who

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was one of the pilots of the jet fighter

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during this 2004 nimitz event outside of

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san diego that was part of the New York

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Times article when they revealed

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you know this Pentagon UFO study we also

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had Elizondo who we used to lead that

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program talk about this however we

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haven't gotten any official documents

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well it appears that we have gotten an

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official document and I'm actually gonna

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have a story coming out on den of geek

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this week because George Knapp released

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this document saying it was prepared for

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and by the military and some people have

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doubted that because it doesn't fit a

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format that they're used to from the

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military however I did talk with Leslie

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Elizondo who Elizondo said he's not sure

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this is the same report he saw but he

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did see a military report

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Leslie Kane said we did to your report

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we vetted this report we know this is

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real she said she's not sure where it

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comes from but it probably comes from

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bass which is the Bigelow group so it

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comes from a third party and Eric Davis

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who worked for bass the Bigelow group

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that did this work he confirmed that I

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know the people who wrote it it wasn't a

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military format because as contractors

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we can write them in any format we want

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and they rarely dictate to us the format

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and then we submit it in our own format

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that's why you see it the way it is

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however Jeremy Korbel who's a filmmaker

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working on hunt for the skinwalker and

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Bob Lazar both cases that are Georgian

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app cases that he's very close with

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George Knapp he's also been one of the

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people in contact with David flavor the

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pilot and flavor told him this is the

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most accurate account of what happened

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that I've seen so I mean the document is

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pretty much verified that's significant

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because this really talks about the

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whole event or at least the most

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important event where they kind of

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chased this UFO and it's quite

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extraordinary

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Neri essentially you know they were

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vectored into this UFO flavor and his

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wingman

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during these training exercises by the

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USS Princeton who had detected it when

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they got there they saw a disturbance in

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the water that's the first thing they

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saw then they saw the object they were

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at about 20,000 feet they came in

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lowered to get a closer look that's

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where they both saw this object which

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they described looking like a tic-tac I

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mean it was one of them described it

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looking like it was candy coated or a

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whiteboard that was completely white

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elliptical type of object but rounded

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edges flavor said he went in closer but

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as he went in it seemed to recognize him

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and it pointed towards him and then took

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off at supersonic speeds he called back

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to USS Princeton - hey you got this

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thing on radar they said no but then

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they came back you're not gonna believe

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this it's actually 24 at 24,000 feet now

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and it's in the area you were training

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in earlier in the day then they lost

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contact with it so it moved very quickly

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and then the speculation in this report

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is really surprising they speculate that

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perhaps part of this time it was

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invisible to the naked eye and using

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some sort of stealth possibly that there

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was an object under the water that was

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making that disturbance in the water

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that it was docking with it was a Los

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Angeles class nuclear submarine there

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that that did say they didn't detect

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anything on sonar so they don't believe

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there was anything underwater but the

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speculation and the document is that

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maybe it had some sort of underwater

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stealth type of technology so very

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shocking it also talked about later in

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the day the object a unknown was

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detected again during training exercises

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an f-18 flew out there couldn't see it

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with his eyes couldn't detect it on

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radar but did pick it up with his FLIR

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his infrared camera for a short period

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of time it seemed to be hovering before

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it flew off and it's a piece of that

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video that we've seen on you know the

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the New York Times article and that

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we've seen all over the place it's that

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piece of video now that pilot doesn't

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know if that's the same thing flavor saw

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earlier in the day we don't know much

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about it and that does kind of highlight

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what like you and I talked about this

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video is only kind of a side

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piece of evidence it's not the big piece

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of evidence proving anything

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significantly really the best evidence

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it's stuff we haven't seen some of it

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the radar data but it's also the very

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credible testimony from these expert

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witnesses excellent well I think we're

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gonna have to cut it short but we'll go

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rack up you know I took up a lot of the

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time with the Alan bean thing and I

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appreciate you letting that great staff

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so all right alejandro so we'll be back

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we'll be back next Tuesday at the same

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time and thanks for adjusting your

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schedule as well yeah no problem you've

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got a great lineup so I hope you have a

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great show I know you were pretty

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excited all right okay thanks a lot

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and I'll talk to you next week okay bye

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all right so our next guest Dave Marla

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he's he's been on once before

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he's a hard-to-get guy and he was kind

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enough to say that he would be on my

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debut show here at kgr egg welcome to

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the show Dave thanks so much for joining

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us it's great to speak with you again

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yeah yeah I know it's been I think it's

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been a few years and unfortunately yes

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you're having fun in the UFO field

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yeah and for those of you on YouTube you

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can see this great background dave has

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UFO crash site and old movie posters I

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love it and so Dave for the person

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that's not familiar with you or who you

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are if you have some type of quick

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little nutshell you can give your

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background that would be great sure well

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I was first introduced to the concept of

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UFOs when I was five years old back in

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1973 there was a flapper wave of UFO

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sightings in Piedmont Missouri and

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that's where my father was born and

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raised we lived in st. Louis but I

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remember at five years old my father and

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my brothers and my sister piling in the

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car with thermoses of coffee and

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binoculars to go down to Piedmont a

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quote-unquote look for UFOs as many

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people were doing as it had garnered a

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lot of local media attention in the st.

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Louis area and so I never got a chance

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to go with them because I was only 5

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years old I was tasked with staying home

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with mom

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who had as much in the area of

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disinterest in the subject as my father

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had interest and so but I remember being

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a very young impressionable

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five-year-old of hearing the stories

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they would come back and talk to people

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many of whom my father knew and grew up

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with in the Greater Piedmont area of

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lights and objects in fact his aunt and

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uncle had witnessed things themselves

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that were highly anomalous and of course

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in the ensuing years dr. Harley Rutledge

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from Southeast Missouri State University

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launched really the first civilian

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scientific field study of UFOs and

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entered into the subject as a skeptic

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that came away I hate to say the term

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UFO believer but as a scientist he

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conceded that there was something highly

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anomalous but that was in 1973 fast

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forward about four years my sister and

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husband had a close encounter with UFO

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outside Kansas City Missouri that I in

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fact I was just talking to her this

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morning about it

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again and something that terrified both

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of them and so suddenly UFOs had rather

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close to home when my own sister who

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didn't drink didn't do drugs even though

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it was the 70s she was sober witness as

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you could ask for and then years later

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in 1990 still having that interest in

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UFOs I heard about MUFON the mutual UFO

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network and for over ten years I was a

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field investigator Illinois State

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Director and conducted lots of

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investigations and then over time as you

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can see in the background just a small

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portion I started collecting a lot of

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historical UFO data and historical

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materials and with that started

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investigating a number of areas that I

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found particularly interesting and in

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the past we've talked about my research

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on triangular UFOs and that was a very

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specific subset that I decided to focus

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on as I felt it needed to have greater

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attention brought to it and in the

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ensuing years since we've spoken last

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I've been branching out into some other

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historical cases that one I had an

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interest in but to to be quite honest

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didn't feel like the cases had been

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investigated to the depth that I would

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like to investigate them and so over the

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last three or four years now I've been

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really been engaged in

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a high-level investigation of some of

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these historical cases which hopefully

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in the next hour we'll get a chance to

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talk about yes so why don't we do this

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Dave why don't we first talk about your

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research in the Triangle UFOs I I

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remember you were saying that they were

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up

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besides lights in the sky they were kind

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of dominating the UFO reports so I don't

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know is that still the case today it

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seems to be I haven't ran the latest

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statistics and one of the statistics I

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look at are from the national UFO

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Reporting Center and as I always like to

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clarify and I think most of your

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audience knows those are raw reports and

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even Peter Davenport if he were here on

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this call would be discussing the fact

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that you know many of these reports have

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not been investigated so their raw

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reports we can't speak to the veracity

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but I use that as kind of a testing

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ground as far as what are people

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reporting regardless of the validity

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what are people reporting and the vast

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majority over the last several years 15

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20 years now have been these triangular

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UFOs and I concede that many of these

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may be top-secret military aircraft I'll

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be the first to concede that however

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when people were making statements on

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the internet that I can't be kind about

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it were simply ill informed or hadn't

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taken the time to look at the data I'm

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reading these postings saying well

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that's all military that's just the

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latest evolution in stealth technology

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I'm literally sitting here in my

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research room looking at news clippings

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from 1957 1960 not only from the United

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States but from the UK from Germany

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Denmark in fact one famous way that I

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collected information on was from 1957 a

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wave of UFO sightings in Denmark from

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1957 starting in November 57 into the

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spring of 58 and the Danish Defense

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Intelligence Service were investigating

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these and I even found a Reuters news

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clipping that corroborated earlier

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statements that I have seen in other

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sources of information where they were

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describing large dark silent triangular

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the term they use back then were

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spaceships triangular spaceships that's

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right that was that that was the

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headline that dominated the news

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headlines at the time

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Denmark and but they describe similar

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flight characteristics similar lighting

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characteristics in the case of Denmark

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over the village of broker a woman even

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described these horseshoe shaped objects

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flying out of the triangular UFO which

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fast forward over the the ensuing

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several decades after that many

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witnesses described even in the Belgian

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wave describe objects either entering or

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exiting these triangular UFOs so we have

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just a voluminous amount of reports of

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00:22:58,169 --> 00:22:54,730
these triangular UFOs that have striking

543
00:23:01,889 --> 00:22:58,179
similarities that not only transcend the

544
00:23:03,389 --> 00:23:01,899
decades that transcend any one nation so

545
00:23:04,919 --> 00:23:03,399
when you look at that body of

546
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:04,929
information and what I try to do is

547
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:07,090
collate all of that information into a

548
00:23:11,869 --> 00:23:09,490
book and really make the argument that

549
00:23:13,799 --> 00:23:11,879
whereas some of the more modern-day

550
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:13,809
triangular objects that are being cited

551
00:23:18,509 --> 00:23:16,210
may be military the historical record

552
00:23:20,879 --> 00:23:18,519
begs to differ as far as using that as a

553
00:23:22,740 --> 00:23:20,889
blanket explanation for all triangular

554
00:23:24,450 --> 00:23:22,750
UFOs and I think we need to be very

555
00:23:26,850 --> 00:23:24,460
careful whether it's UFOs or any other

556
00:23:29,789 --> 00:23:26,860
field of study when we start using terms

557
00:23:32,700 --> 00:23:29,799
like none or all these all in terms of

558
00:23:34,350 --> 00:23:32,710
terms are very difficult and I think as

559
00:23:35,999 --> 00:23:34,360
most of the audience members what will

560
00:23:38,909 --> 00:23:36,009
attest as well as your self hardening

561
00:23:40,350 --> 00:23:38,919
the world is shades of grey there is no

562
00:23:42,210 --> 00:23:40,360
black and white if like we're that

563
00:23:43,860 --> 00:23:42,220
simple women be looking fantastic

564
00:23:46,310 --> 00:23:43,870
yeah and whether whether we're talking

565
00:23:48,389 --> 00:23:46,320
try and give her UFOs or UFOs in general

566
00:23:50,070 --> 00:23:48,399
you know some of these might be

567
00:23:52,019 --> 00:23:50,080
top-secret military aircraft especially

568
00:23:53,669 --> 00:23:52,029
today we don't know what the

569
00:23:55,740 --> 00:23:53,679
state-of-the-art technology is and

570
00:23:57,840 --> 00:23:55,750
that's one of the reasons why I like

571
00:23:59,999 --> 00:23:57,850
investigating these historical cases the

572
00:24:02,539 --> 00:24:00,009
well-documented multiple witness cases

573
00:24:06,509 --> 00:24:02,549
which we'll talk about later we're

574
00:24:08,639 --> 00:24:06,519
looking back to 1950 I think with a fair

575
00:24:11,430 --> 00:24:08,649
degree of certainty we know what

576
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:11,440
military technology what was at at that

577
00:24:16,529 --> 00:24:15,129
period yeah in 2018 we don't know we all

578
00:24:18,269 --> 00:24:16,539
know I guess you're involved unless

579
00:24:20,369 --> 00:24:18,279
we're involved in these life projects or

580
00:24:22,350 --> 00:24:20,379
compartmentalised projects we have no

581
00:24:23,999 --> 00:24:22,360
idea and I don't even want to begin to

582
00:24:26,820 --> 00:24:24,009
speculate in that area because I would

583
00:24:28,529 --> 00:24:26,830
just show my ignorance no looking back

584
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:28,539
at these historical cases through the

585
00:24:32,190 --> 00:24:31,450
lens of history I think we can ascertain

586
00:24:33,360 --> 00:24:32,200
that we did

587
00:24:35,669 --> 00:24:33,370
have aircraft that could perform

588
00:24:38,399 --> 00:24:35,679
right-angle turns at 10,000 miles an

589
00:24:41,100 --> 00:24:38,409
hour for hover for extended periods of

590
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:41,110
time and so that's one of the reasons I

591
00:24:45,090 --> 00:24:42,610
like looking at these historical cases

592
00:24:46,980 --> 00:24:45,100
the other one is quite simply in the

593
00:24:50,070 --> 00:24:46,990
last 20-30 years we've had new

594
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:50,080
documentation Declassified from these

595
00:24:55,610 --> 00:24:51,970
early cases from the 50s and from the

596
00:24:57,389 --> 00:24:55,620
60s even the Battle of LA back in 1942

597
00:24:59,250 --> 00:24:57,399
some of those documents were

598
00:25:01,230 --> 00:24:59,260
Declassified until the late 70s early

599
00:25:03,419 --> 00:25:01,240
80s you know it was researchers like

600
00:25:05,009 --> 00:25:03,429
Barry Greenwood who really did the

601
00:25:08,310 --> 00:25:05,019
lion's share of work in trying to

602
00:25:09,930 --> 00:25:08,320
ascertain and request FOIA you know

603
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:09,940
Freedom of Information Act requests to

604
00:25:14,370 --> 00:25:12,490
obtain those documents so even after all

605
00:25:16,350 --> 00:25:14,380
these decades new information can be

606
00:25:18,419 --> 00:25:16,360
gleaned from those documents Dave we're

607
00:25:20,220 --> 00:25:18,429
right at our break so we got to take a

608
00:25:23,250 --> 00:25:20,230
quick break however we're going to be

609
00:25:25,169 --> 00:25:23,260
live still on YouTube so we're coming up

610
00:25:27,870 --> 00:25:25,179
on the break if you're listening now you

611
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:27,880
are listening to podcast UFO on kgr

612
00:25:32,250 --> 00:25:30,250
radio and my guest of course is Dave

613
00:25:40,370 --> 00:25:32,260
Marlar we'll be right back after this

614
00:25:49,909 --> 00:25:44,510
okay if all has gone well race is

615
00:25:53,060 --> 00:25:49,919
running a break and I'm helping to turn

616
00:25:55,250 --> 00:25:53,070
my mic on with it race so you're running

617
00:25:57,289 --> 00:25:55,260
a break right now right yeah we're clear

618
00:26:00,940 --> 00:25:57,299
and we've got four minutes in this break

619
00:26:04,070 --> 00:26:00,950
your minutes okay all right hey hey Dave

620
00:26:06,140 --> 00:26:04,080
so I I do want to you know some of the

621
00:26:12,350 --> 00:26:06,150
things I want to talk about because I as

622
00:26:14,350 --> 00:26:12,360
we get going here is the fact that you

623
00:26:16,820 --> 00:26:14,360
know a number of people tell me a lot of

624
00:26:19,669 --> 00:26:16,830
all the time that they think that these

625
00:26:23,360 --> 00:26:19,679
things are military so I want to talk

626
00:26:26,870 --> 00:26:23,370
about that and my thoughts on that in

627
00:26:28,779 --> 00:26:26,880
general but just looking now while we

628
00:26:31,430 --> 00:26:28,789
have this break see if there's anything

629
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:31,440
because I don't want to say that during

630
00:26:39,830 --> 00:26:34,530
this break but we will be taking

631
00:26:43,010 --> 00:26:39,840
questions later on in the chat room for

632
00:26:45,620 --> 00:26:43,020
those who are listening on YouTube also

633
00:26:47,930 --> 00:26:45,630
if we get a chance in the last hour I

634
00:26:49,850 --> 00:26:47,940
don't think we're gonna have time but we

635
00:26:53,029 --> 00:26:49,860
may have time for a phone call or two

636
00:26:54,860 --> 00:26:53,039
but it's going to be kind of jam-packed

637
00:26:58,940 --> 00:26:54,870
with all of us it'll be really

638
00:27:03,049 --> 00:26:58,950
interesting with Lee and I and James Ono

639
00:27:07,340 --> 00:27:03,059
at the same time absolutely yeah

640
00:27:11,120 --> 00:27:07,350
so I guess one of the things that let's

641
00:27:14,180 --> 00:27:11,130
see one of the things I want to talk

642
00:27:17,690 --> 00:27:14,190
about the Battle of LA you know I mean

643
00:27:21,710 --> 00:27:17,700
people talk about you know the modern

644
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:21,720
UFO movement started you know in 1947

645
00:27:27,980 --> 00:27:25,530
but this was 1942 right and so I'm

646
00:27:29,630 --> 00:27:27,990
really curious on your research and that

647
00:27:31,899 --> 00:27:29,640
we'll get into that a little bit later

648
00:27:35,690 --> 00:27:31,909
on but you know I want to know were they

649
00:27:37,549 --> 00:27:35,700
actually thinking it was what were they

650
00:27:39,740 --> 00:27:37,559
thinking it was you know whether they

651
00:27:42,110 --> 00:27:39,750
think it was Japan was sending over

652
00:27:44,299 --> 00:27:42,120
these weird balloons and stuff that was

653
00:27:45,980 --> 00:27:44,309
the prevalent theory yeah but we can

654
00:27:47,299 --> 00:27:45,990
certainly talk about that and we'd like

655
00:27:48,919 --> 00:27:47,309
to talk about some of the serious

656
00:27:50,750 --> 00:27:48,929
material it's been thrown out there by

657
00:27:52,820 --> 00:27:50,760
them I like to say less than reputable

658
00:27:54,019 --> 00:27:52,830
researchers that are tossing around

659
00:27:55,909 --> 00:27:54,029
these purported

660
00:27:57,619 --> 00:27:55,919
many documents that have absolutely no

661
00:27:59,810 --> 00:27:57,629
official provenance whatsoever they've

662
00:28:02,259 --> 00:27:59,820
really muddied the water as far as you

663
00:28:05,959 --> 00:28:02,269
know trying to create a a genuine

664
00:28:08,930 --> 00:28:05,969
fact-based investigation of this this

665
00:28:12,229 --> 00:28:08,940
incident and unfortunately get a lot of

666
00:28:14,330 --> 00:28:12,239
that that pollution if you will into the

667
00:28:16,099 --> 00:28:14,340
investigation because people many people

668
00:28:17,810 --> 00:28:16,109
don't know what's legitimate and what's

669
00:28:19,519 --> 00:28:17,820
not legit and then you know not only in

670
00:28:21,469 --> 00:28:19,529
this case that with the UFO subject in

671
00:28:23,599 --> 00:28:21,479
general and I really hate to see when

672
00:28:25,279 --> 00:28:23,609
they bring that that baggage in and it

673
00:28:27,829 --> 00:28:25,289
makes it very difficult for well-meaning

674
00:28:30,259 --> 00:28:27,839
individuals to try to separate the wheat

675
00:28:34,070 --> 00:28:30,269
from the chaff and so that's kind of

676
00:28:36,409 --> 00:28:34,080
like that it it'll turn a lot of people

677
00:28:40,039 --> 00:28:36,419
off you know someone that salutely just

678
00:28:42,079 --> 00:28:40,049
getting excited about the UFO topic you

679
00:28:44,450 --> 00:28:42,089
know and it's really funny how it

680
00:28:46,310 --> 00:28:44,460
parallels to what I do in the fine arts

681
00:28:48,049 --> 00:28:46,320
and antiques when it comes to people

682
00:28:49,279 --> 00:28:48,059
collecting you know people are

683
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:49,289
collecting and all of a sudden they

684
00:28:52,849 --> 00:28:51,570
collect something and it's a fake then

685
00:28:55,310 --> 00:28:52,859
they're gone they're no longer

686
00:28:57,070 --> 00:28:55,320
collecting they turn away and that's the

687
00:29:01,339 --> 00:28:57,080
same way when people get burned with

688
00:29:06,979 --> 00:29:01,349
with buying into YouTube is you know a

689
00:29:08,779 --> 00:29:06,989
real playground for that well it's a

690
00:29:13,099 --> 00:29:08,789
tool but just like any tool it could be

691
00:29:15,649 --> 00:29:13,109
used or misused right right and yeah

692
00:29:17,539 --> 00:29:15,659
it's it's it's sad because as I talked

693
00:29:20,149 --> 00:29:17,549
about the lecturing in Florida this

694
00:29:22,099 --> 00:29:20,159
Saturday for the the Florida Chapter and

695
00:29:23,839 --> 00:29:22,109
we're gonna be talking about the Battle

696
00:29:26,359 --> 00:29:23,849
of LA we're gonna discuss for about an

697
00:29:27,589 --> 00:29:26,369
hour and a half that case and like I

698
00:29:30,499 --> 00:29:27,599
said I'm gonna try to separate the wheat

699
00:29:32,659 --> 00:29:30,509
from the chaff and present facts facts

700
00:29:34,219 --> 00:29:32,669
that they can go back and verify not

701
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:34,229
many researchers in this field group

702
00:29:38,690 --> 00:29:36,690
cite their references I'll have to

703
00:29:40,609 --> 00:29:38,700
actually be bringing original newspapers

704
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:40,619
from my collection here from I have

705
00:29:44,269 --> 00:29:41,690
about a dozen

706
00:29:46,879 --> 00:29:44,279
original front-page newspapers from

707
00:29:49,399 --> 00:29:46,889
February 25 26 the originals

708
00:29:51,019 --> 00:29:49,409
as well as an original photo with the

709
00:29:53,479 --> 00:29:51,029
original news teletype which I've

710
00:29:55,459 --> 00:29:53,489
collected well and an original print off

711
00:29:56,930 --> 00:29:55,469
the original negative and there's a

712
00:29:58,070 --> 00:29:56,940
whole discussion with the photo that

713
00:30:00,139 --> 00:29:58,080
hopefully we can get into because

714
00:30:02,919 --> 00:30:00,149
there's a lot of MIS misunderstanding on

715
00:30:05,740 --> 00:30:02,929
this case yeah because I know the photos

716
00:30:07,629 --> 00:30:05,750
has been a real big issue that

717
00:30:10,779 --> 00:30:07,639
I'm really excited it because I didn't

718
00:30:12,310 --> 00:30:10,789
know you had that well Murray we're

719
00:30:13,869 --> 00:30:12,320
ready to go back guys I mean interrupt

720
00:30:15,730 --> 00:30:13,879
you here but no no I've got music

721
00:30:18,129 --> 00:30:15,740
rolling now so we're all set to go if

722
00:30:21,070 --> 00:30:18,139
you guys are ready I can make it happen

723
00:30:25,990 --> 00:30:21,080
yep so tell me how many minutes do I

724
00:30:31,419 --> 00:30:26,000
have for the next break mmm

725
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:31,429
approximately 25 25 okay we want to shut

726
00:30:36,399 --> 00:30:34,490
down at 56 at four minutes teal four

727
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:36,409
minutes still 56 okay very good I'm

728
00:30:40,419 --> 00:30:37,850
ready to go whenever you want to call me

729
00:30:44,470 --> 00:30:40,429
back in all right mom are you ready yep

730
00:30:51,580 --> 00:30:44,480
yes sir our gang here we go in five four

731
00:30:55,690 --> 00:30:51,590
three two welcome back to podcast UFO on

732
00:30:58,060 --> 00:30:55,700
kgr radio that's Katie our radio calm my

733
00:30:59,440 --> 00:30:58,070
guest is the great day of Marla I'm real

734
00:31:01,690 --> 00:30:59,450
excited about this we were talking a

735
00:31:02,950 --> 00:31:01,700
little bit off break so we're gonna have

736
00:31:06,220 --> 00:31:02,960
we're not going to spend too much time

737
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:06,230
on the triangle UFOs I want to go into

738
00:31:14,860 --> 00:31:10,490
the other research you're doing but

739
00:31:17,049 --> 00:31:14,870
before before we take turn here I do

740
00:31:18,249 --> 00:31:17,059
want to talk about a number of people

741
00:31:21,009 --> 00:31:18,259
that have been on this show that have

742
00:31:23,289 --> 00:31:21,019
said to me you know this is all they're

743
00:31:26,909 --> 00:31:23,299
all military and there's so many reasons

744
00:31:30,850 --> 00:31:26,919
to discount that one of the reasons I

745
00:31:32,350 --> 00:31:30,860
think is a big reason that is never

746
00:31:33,759 --> 00:31:32,360
talked about or I don't know if you ever

747
00:31:35,379 --> 00:31:33,769
talk about it but some people are

748
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:35,389
reporting these things to be like a mile

749
00:31:39,820 --> 00:31:37,690
wide I mean there would be like no

750
00:31:42,639 --> 00:31:39,830
instance where our government that I

751
00:31:44,409 --> 00:31:42,649
could ever picture would ever make

752
00:31:45,389 --> 00:31:44,419
something a mile wide that wouldn't

753
00:31:49,149 --> 00:31:45,399
serve any purpose

754
00:31:50,980 --> 00:31:49,159
no and that's one of many valid

755
00:31:53,279 --> 00:31:50,990
criticisms with regard to statements

756
00:31:55,570 --> 00:31:53,289
like that where are these things based

757
00:31:57,369 --> 00:31:55,580
Colonel John Alexander who wrote the

758
00:31:58,960 --> 00:31:57,379
foreword to my book on triangle she was

759
00:32:02,169 --> 00:31:58,970
very impressed with my research we were

760
00:32:03,700 --> 00:32:02,179
at a UFO conference back in 2012 and he

761
00:32:05,259 --> 00:32:03,710
approached me people ask me well why did

762
00:32:06,369 --> 00:32:05,269
why did you get John Alexander to write

763
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:06,379
the foreword to your book because some

764
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:08,690
people don't agree with John's opinions

765
00:32:12,999 --> 00:32:10,570
with regard to the subject I said well

766
00:32:14,470 --> 00:32:13,009
truth be told he approached me he was

767
00:32:16,450 --> 00:32:14,480
really impressed with my research he

768
00:32:17,769 --> 00:32:16,460
said that's one of the best lectures

769
00:32:19,210 --> 00:32:17,779
I've ever heard at one of these UFO

770
00:32:21,610 --> 00:32:19,220
conferences in quite a while

771
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:21,620
and again because I cite my references

772
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:23,210
if you question what I'm saying here's

773
00:32:27,190 --> 00:32:25,610
where I got the information I wish more

774
00:32:30,539 --> 00:32:27,200
researchers in this field would do that

775
00:32:32,770 --> 00:32:30,549
but John stated to me matter-of-factly

776
00:32:35,470 --> 00:32:32,780
in any conversations that we've had over

777
00:32:38,159 --> 00:32:35,480
the years the military whether it's

778
00:32:41,950 --> 00:32:38,169
United States or a foreign government

779
00:32:44,919 --> 00:32:41,960
military designs aircraft and weapons

780
00:32:47,399 --> 00:32:44,929
with a specific mission or purpose in

781
00:32:48,850 --> 00:32:47,409
mind what is the purpose of having

782
00:32:51,909 --> 00:32:48,860
mile-long

783
00:32:54,669 --> 00:32:51,919
triangular UFOs cavorting about in our

784
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:54,679
skies and in many cases hovering over

785
00:32:58,299 --> 00:32:56,450
cornfields in the middle of nowhere

786
00:33:01,480 --> 00:32:58,309
the famous January another famous

787
00:33:03,250 --> 00:33:01,490
January 5th 2000 incident is an example

788
00:33:05,770 --> 00:33:03,260
in Illinois I was the lead investigator

789
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:05,780
for MUFON at the time yeah that's what

790
00:33:09,460 --> 00:33:07,490
personally kind of really piqued my

791
00:33:11,020 --> 00:33:09,470
interest on the subject and as I'm

792
00:33:12,580 --> 00:33:11,030
sitting in these various police stations

793
00:33:14,950 --> 00:33:12,590
interviewing these police officers for

794
00:33:17,590 --> 00:33:14,960
that pace I was struck with the

795
00:33:20,350 --> 00:33:17,600
similarity in their sketches in their

796
00:33:22,539 --> 00:33:20,360
narratives in their descriptions of how

797
00:33:25,210 --> 00:33:22,549
it mirrored what the Jean darns in

798
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:25,220
Belgium 10 years prior were describing

799
00:33:29,649 --> 00:33:27,770
and many of these officers weren't even

800
00:33:32,260 --> 00:33:29,659
familiar with that most of them I don't

801
00:33:34,090 --> 00:33:32,270
think were and I could almost stitch

802
00:33:35,980 --> 00:33:34,100
together the narratives between the

803
00:33:37,180 --> 00:33:35,990
Belgian witnesses and the southern

804
00:33:38,890 --> 00:33:37,190
Illinios witnesses and they're

805
00:33:41,649 --> 00:33:38,900
essentially describing the same thing

806
00:33:43,810 --> 00:33:41,659
and you know especially in that case

807
00:33:45,279 --> 00:33:43,820
Martin to your question people say well

808
00:33:46,990 --> 00:33:45,289
it was sighted near Scott Airport space

809
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:47,000
therefore it was military it's like well

810
00:33:51,220 --> 00:33:48,610
first that's kind of a gross assumption

811
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:51,230
we have many UFOs reported near many

812
00:33:54,930 --> 00:33:52,850
military bases but that doesn't mean

813
00:33:57,250 --> 00:33:54,940
that that's their point of origin and

814
00:33:58,510 --> 00:33:57,260
correlation is not always causation just

815
00:34:00,010 --> 00:33:58,520
because the military base is there

816
00:34:03,430 --> 00:34:00,020
doesn't mean they're responsible for

817
00:34:05,649 --> 00:34:03,440
this object but to your point most air

818
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:05,659
bases couldn't sustain the landing of

819
00:34:10,060 --> 00:34:07,130
one of these objects where are these

820
00:34:11,770 --> 00:34:10,070
things being based out of and to my

821
00:34:14,050 --> 00:34:11,780
knowledge and I think I've one of the

822
00:34:18,129 --> 00:34:14,060
largest databases on triangular UFO

823
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:18,139
reports worldwide we have no reports of

824
00:34:22,240 --> 00:34:19,970
these things taking off or landing from

825
00:34:23,829 --> 00:34:22,250
the military base there certainly flying

826
00:34:25,210 --> 00:34:23,839
around in the sky but where is their

827
00:34:27,070 --> 00:34:25,220
point of origin where are they being

828
00:34:29,550 --> 00:34:27,080
based and to your point

829
00:34:31,990 --> 00:34:29,560
let's just talk basic military logistics

830
00:34:32,590 --> 00:34:32,000
how many people do you have to have to

831
00:34:34,870 --> 00:34:32,600
maintain

832
00:34:38,110 --> 00:34:34,880
f18 like we were just Alejandra was

833
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:38,120
talking about the sightings by Naval

834
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:41,210
pilots you have an entire crew that

835
00:34:46,180 --> 00:34:43,970
maintenance is that type of aircraft if

836
00:34:48,820 --> 00:34:46,190
you have an aircraft a mile long do you

837
00:34:50,620 --> 00:34:48,830
have any idea the scale the logistics

838
00:34:53,650 --> 00:34:50,630
the personnel involved in trying to

839
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:53,660
maintain an aircraft that size let alone

840
00:34:57,010 --> 00:34:55,490
the logistics of where are you going to

841
00:35:00,640 --> 00:34:57,020
house it where it's not visible from

842
00:35:02,860 --> 00:35:00,650
satellites or from people nearby so I

843
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:02,870
really have a hard time buying that and

844
00:35:08,140 --> 00:35:05,090
again we can talk about the modern

845
00:35:10,570 --> 00:35:08,150
reports but we simply can't ignore the

846
00:35:12,130 --> 00:35:10,580
historical body of information that

847
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:12,140
exists where these triangles have been

848
00:35:16,570 --> 00:35:14,690
around for a very very long time yeah

849
00:35:18,190 --> 00:35:16,580
that's right like this go ahead and we

850
00:35:20,170 --> 00:35:18,200
just simply can't ignore that you can't

851
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:20,180
arbitrarily look at the new cases and

852
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:22,850
say well that's military and when I put

853
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:24,170
forth the argument what about these

854
00:35:27,820 --> 00:35:26,330
cases in the fifties sixties people

855
00:35:29,710 --> 00:35:27,830
don't have a response for that they're

856
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:29,720
like well they could have seen anything

857
00:35:34,060 --> 00:35:31,970
well why don't you say that about the

858
00:35:34,870 --> 00:35:34,070
modern day reports yeah hey that's a

859
00:35:39,550 --> 00:35:34,880
good point

860
00:35:41,710 --> 00:35:39,560
so a couple of things first of all you

861
00:35:43,090 --> 00:35:41,720
mentioned the earlier reports and that's

862
00:35:46,150 --> 00:35:43,100
something I was going to touch on too

863
00:35:48,850 --> 00:35:46,160
but there's it seems to be two type of

864
00:35:49,450 --> 00:35:48,860
things that people report on them one is

865
00:35:53,620 --> 00:35:49,460
either

866
00:35:56,020 --> 00:35:53,630
there's silent no no noise at all the

867
00:35:57,370 --> 00:35:56,030
other is a humming uh sometimes a slight

868
00:35:58,930 --> 00:35:57,380
humming those are the two different

869
00:36:02,020 --> 00:35:58,940
things but I want to tell you about a

870
00:36:04,420 --> 00:36:02,030
report that someone wrote me it was a

871
00:36:06,670 --> 00:36:04,430
listener to this show I don't know if

872
00:36:10,690 --> 00:36:06,680
she listens anymore she was a young girl

873
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:10,700
in Australia she was in the that's where

874
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:12,650
she's from Australia she was in the

875
00:36:16,870 --> 00:36:15,290
garden with her grandmother and all of a

876
00:36:20,290 --> 00:36:16,880
sudden there was like this shadow and

877
00:36:22,780 --> 00:36:20,300
she looked above and it was a triangle

878
00:36:24,790 --> 00:36:22,790
going over them silently but it seemed

879
00:36:26,950 --> 00:36:24,800
to force them on the ground like a

880
00:36:28,780 --> 00:36:26,960
pressure she said she felt a pressure

881
00:36:31,240 --> 00:36:28,790
and kind of like laid down on the ground

882
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:31,250
and horror have you ever heard anyone

883
00:36:36,460 --> 00:36:33,410
talk about the pressure feeling pressure

884
00:36:38,350 --> 00:36:36,470
when one was overhead no that's that's

885
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:38,360
an interesting case though because as I

886
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:40,130
often say in my lectures it's not just

887
00:36:43,210 --> 00:36:41,570
the ones that fit the patterns it's the

888
00:36:45,940 --> 00:36:43,220
ones that don't fit the patterns that

889
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:45,950
are particularly interesting we

890
00:36:52,720 --> 00:36:50,690
do have physiological responses to some

891
00:36:56,170 --> 00:36:52,730
of these triangular UFOs static

892
00:36:58,270 --> 00:36:56,180
electricity the hair standing on end you

893
00:37:00,060 --> 00:36:58,280
know maybe a slight heat signature where

894
00:37:03,370 --> 00:37:00,070
they feel maybe a slight temperature

895
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:03,380
differential from you know before during

896
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:06,290
and then after the object passes over or

897
00:37:12,010 --> 00:37:10,130
nearby we do have that and but that's a

898
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:12,020
that's a very interesting one I was not

899
00:37:15,430 --> 00:37:13,490
familiar with that do you recall the

900
00:37:18,730 --> 00:37:15,440
time period that that was felt well I

901
00:37:21,490 --> 00:37:18,740
think she's in her early 30s since she

902
00:37:23,620 --> 00:37:21,500
said she was like nine years old so okay

903
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:23,630
you know going back to 20 plus years 20

904
00:37:29,260 --> 00:37:26,810
years or so Wow yeah so I don't I I

905
00:37:32,260 --> 00:37:29,270
would be very happy to connect you two

906
00:37:33,970 --> 00:37:32,270
together can do that yeah that'd be

907
00:37:35,859 --> 00:37:33,980
interesting I receive a lot of

908
00:37:37,810 --> 00:37:35,869
correspondences you can appreciate yeah

909
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:37,820
I have to admit I was rather naive when

910
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:39,410
I wrote this book because my attitude

911
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:40,970
was I want to get the information out

912
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:42,770
there I want other people to see the

913
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:45,170
historical cases and the patterns that I

914
00:37:51,329 --> 00:37:48,410
found I was completely naive to the

915
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:51,339
influx of letters and emails and

916
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:53,210
information that I was receiving from

917
00:37:58,240 --> 00:37:55,130
others after the book was released so

918
00:38:00,670 --> 00:37:58,250
I'm sure and a number of people very

919
00:38:02,109 --> 00:38:00,680
sincerely told me both by phone I had

920
00:38:05,410 --> 00:38:02,119
phone conversations with many of these

921
00:38:07,059 --> 00:38:05,420
witnesses and in emails email

922
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:07,069
correspondence they said you know what

923
00:38:10,990 --> 00:38:09,410
for years my friends my family ridiculed

924
00:38:13,900 --> 00:38:11,000
me because I told him what I saw and

925
00:38:16,599 --> 00:38:13,910
then I got your book and you gave me

926
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:16,609
validation I knew I wasn't crazy but to

927
00:38:21,460 --> 00:38:17,930
read of other people that had these

928
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:21,470
sightings you provided context and thank

929
00:38:26,050 --> 00:38:23,210
you for that and it really gave a lot of

930
00:38:27,910 --> 00:38:26,060
people peace of mind and again I was

931
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:27,920
completely naive that would have any

932
00:38:31,930 --> 00:38:29,690
type of emotional or psychological

933
00:38:33,849 --> 00:38:31,940
impact on people like that and that was

934
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:33,859
very gratifying for the work that went

935
00:38:38,770 --> 00:38:35,450
into I'm sure I'm sure

936
00:38:41,470 --> 00:38:38,780
and before we move on are you writing a

937
00:38:43,210 --> 00:38:41,480
second book on triangle UFOs or are you

938
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:43,220
gonna just move on to other things

939
00:38:47,319 --> 00:38:45,530
no this is the running joke with my

940
00:38:49,839 --> 00:38:47,329
research assistants my friends that are

941
00:38:51,579 --> 00:38:49,849
helping me with my UFO library here we

942
00:38:54,550 --> 00:38:51,589
have a pretty extensive clinic and one

943
00:38:56,530 --> 00:38:54,560
of the private libraries and the running

944
00:38:58,300 --> 00:38:56,540
joke was one of my my volunteers Bob

945
00:38:59,079 --> 00:38:58,310
that's every time he looks at me and I

946
00:39:00,400 --> 00:38:59,089
say well I got it

947
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:00,410
you this I gotta do that his running

948
00:39:05,709 --> 00:39:03,890
joke is how's the new book coming I want

949
00:39:07,599 --> 00:39:05,719
to write a book on the Farmington

950
00:39:10,269 --> 00:39:07,609
incident that will hopefully have some

951
00:39:12,339 --> 00:39:10,279
time to discuss here I have a lot of

952
00:39:13,569 --> 00:39:12,349
information that people haven't seen a

953
00:39:15,759 --> 00:39:13,579
lot of information that I've been able

954
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:15,769
to call out of some of the archives and

955
00:39:19,839 --> 00:39:18,170
from microfilm and I've been able to

956
00:39:21,489 --> 00:39:19,849
weed some of that together I had the

957
00:39:22,959 --> 00:39:21,499
information unfortunately I haven't had

958
00:39:23,950 --> 00:39:22,969
the time to sit down and actually start

959
00:39:26,229 --> 00:39:23,960
writing

960
00:39:28,180 --> 00:39:26,239
besides my career which I obviously

961
00:39:30,430 --> 00:39:28,190
don't do this full time I have a working

962
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:30,440
job that helps pay the bills and fund

963
00:39:34,059 --> 00:39:32,210
the research besides my job

964
00:39:36,309 --> 00:39:34,069
I've actually been acquiring two or

965
00:39:38,950 --> 00:39:36,319
three large UFO historical collections

966
00:39:39,190 --> 00:39:38,960
well just two weeks ago over Memorial

967
00:39:42,370 --> 00:39:39,200
Day

968
00:39:46,479 --> 00:39:42,380
I met with researcher and friend Antonio

969
00:39:48,549 --> 00:39:46,489
cuneus in Tempe Arizona and Antonio was

970
00:39:51,519 --> 00:39:48,559
looking to liquidate some of his

971
00:39:54,489 --> 00:39:51,529
research materials so well I along with

972
00:39:56,799 --> 00:39:54,499
my fiance he flew to Phoenix and we

973
00:39:59,529 --> 00:39:56,809
drove back a u-haul full of 13 large

974
00:40:01,839 --> 00:39:59,539
boxes of international Case Files and

975
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:01,849
UFO information which are sitting here

976
00:40:05,410 --> 00:40:03,890
off camera right now which I have to

977
00:40:09,579 --> 00:40:05,420
spend the ensuing weeks sorting through

978
00:40:11,259 --> 00:40:09,589
and sifting through so yeah well yeah

979
00:40:12,219 --> 00:40:11,269
and you have to seize the moment I want

980
00:40:14,829 --> 00:40:12,229
to write my book but when these

981
00:40:16,450 --> 00:40:14,839
opportunities present themselves one of

982
00:40:18,219 --> 00:40:16,460
my big things is preserving UFO

983
00:40:20,979 --> 00:40:18,229
information and to that point I think

984
00:40:22,900 --> 00:40:20,989
we've discussed this in the past I've

985
00:40:25,539 --> 00:40:22,910
secured a working arrangement with the

986
00:40:26,709 --> 00:40:25,549
University of New Mexico here and in

987
00:40:28,839 --> 00:40:26,719
fact I'll have some of the personnel

988
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:28,849
coming here into my research room and

989
00:40:32,799 --> 00:40:30,890
looking at the library but we've entered

990
00:40:34,870 --> 00:40:32,809
into a legal deed of yet and actually I

991
00:40:38,709 --> 00:40:34,880
think we this this transpired since we

992
00:40:40,029 --> 00:40:38,719
last spoke and when I pass all this

993
00:40:41,829 --> 00:40:40,039
material will be acquired by the

994
00:40:43,479 --> 00:40:41,839
University of New Mexico library for

995
00:40:46,450 --> 00:40:43,489
preservation in their Southwest Special

996
00:40:48,549 --> 00:40:46,460
Collections Archives and people will be

997
00:40:51,130 --> 00:40:48,559
able generations from now to go there

998
00:40:52,900 --> 00:40:51,140
and go through that material so I'm very

999
00:40:54,519 --> 00:40:52,910
gratified that all of this material is

1000
00:40:56,969 --> 00:40:54,529
going to be preserved and that the

1001
00:40:59,739 --> 00:40:56,979
university an academic setting finds

1002
00:41:02,410 --> 00:40:59,749
historical and other value in this

1003
00:41:04,029 --> 00:41:02,420
information well Dave how we possible

1004
00:41:06,190 --> 00:41:04,039
possibly going to fit all this

1005
00:41:08,769 --> 00:41:06,200
information you have in such a short

1006
00:41:10,510 --> 00:41:08,779
time we we have like 15 minutes before

1007
00:41:13,090 --> 00:41:10,520
the next break ends and we

1008
00:41:15,460 --> 00:41:13,100
the full hour after that but the Battle

1009
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:15,470
of LA I want to talk about that so let's

1010
00:41:18,940 --> 00:41:16,850
jump into that I'm not sure if we're

1011
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:18,950
gonna have time to talk about you know

1012
00:41:26,410 --> 00:41:22,850
New Mexico or our Marta there but let's

1013
00:41:28,720 --> 00:41:26,420
talk about that now you during the break

1014
00:41:32,290 --> 00:41:28,730
you said something about the original

1015
00:41:33,850 --> 00:41:32,300
clip and well first of all quickly for

1016
00:41:36,070 --> 00:41:33,860
the person that's not familiar with it

1017
00:41:38,170 --> 00:41:36,080
most people are but that listen to the

1018
00:41:41,860 --> 00:41:38,180
show I would imagine but quickly can you

1019
00:41:45,210 --> 00:41:41,870
go over what happened in 1942 sure the

1020
00:41:48,580 --> 00:41:45,220
early morning of February 25th 1942 the

1021
00:41:50,650 --> 00:41:48,590
California coast an unidentified radar

1022
00:41:52,750 --> 00:41:50,660
target was picked up by three radar

1023
00:41:55,540 --> 00:41:52,760
installations Army installations an

1024
00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:55,550
inbound target was tracked for 120 miles

1025
00:41:59,500 --> 00:41:58,010
moving from the Northwest from the

1026
00:42:01,660 --> 00:41:59,510
direction of Santa Maria Burnie

1027
00:42:03,220 --> 00:42:01,670
California audience members there was

1028
00:42:06,850 --> 00:42:03,230
coming in from the direction of Santa

1029
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:06,860
Maria towards the greater LA area and

1030
00:42:12,610 --> 00:42:09,650
this basically initiated an all-out

1031
00:42:14,710 --> 00:42:12,620
blackout and alert because we have to

1032
00:42:16,870 --> 00:42:14,720
provide historical context this is just

1033
00:42:19,780 --> 00:42:16,880
two months after the bombing of Pearl

1034
00:42:21,550 --> 00:42:19,790
Harbor so the the great fear at the time

1035
00:42:24,790 --> 00:42:21,560
was that the Japanese were eventually

1036
00:42:27,010 --> 00:42:24,800
going to move tax Hawaii and do a full

1037
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:27,020
mainland assault so we had radar

1038
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:28,850
installations we had gun emplacements

1039
00:42:33,700 --> 00:42:31,490
ready for any type of Japanese military

1040
00:42:35,860 --> 00:42:33,710
incursion that might take place so that

1041
00:42:39,940 --> 00:42:35,870
was the the prevailing fear at the times

1042
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:39,950
and amongst all of this war tensions we

1043
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:41,810
had this unidentified target which I'm

1044
00:42:44,770 --> 00:42:43,370
not saying is extraterrestrial let me be

1045
00:42:46,300 --> 00:42:44,780
very clear on that I think Martin you

1046
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:46,310
and I have talked many times that when

1047
00:42:51,430 --> 00:42:48,410
we talk about UFOs we mean unidentified

1048
00:42:53,830 --> 00:42:51,440
flying objects so just for the sake of

1049
00:42:56,950 --> 00:42:53,840
clarification this unidentified radar

1050
00:42:59,760 --> 00:42:56,960
target was moving inbound then the

1051
00:43:02,500 --> 00:42:59,770
anti-aircraft batteries began firing on

1052
00:43:04,300 --> 00:43:02,510
multiple targets now that being said

1053
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:04,310
there was a lot of hysteria at the time

1054
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:06,650
so we're not quite sure what all the gun

1055
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:08,570
emplacements were firing on and we're

1056
00:43:12,310 --> 00:43:10,010
not sure what all the civilian and

1057
00:43:15,790 --> 00:43:12,320
military witnesses were observing but

1058
00:43:19,030 --> 00:43:15,800
based on my analysis we have at least

1059
00:43:21,910 --> 00:43:19,040
one solitary target again responsible

1060
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:21,920
for the radar target potentially that

1061
00:43:24,220 --> 00:43:23,690
then moved over the Baldwin Hills area

1062
00:43:27,550 --> 00:43:24,230
Cal

1063
00:43:29,020 --> 00:43:27,560
or Nia was photographed by a news

1064
00:43:30,220 --> 00:43:29,030
photographer and there's a whole story

1065
00:43:31,650 --> 00:43:30,230
which we don't unfortunately have time

1066
00:43:34,359 --> 00:43:31,660
to get into on that which I've uncovered

1067
00:43:35,950 --> 00:43:34,369
but we have the famous photo that many

1068
00:43:38,710 --> 00:43:35,960
of your audience members may have seen

1069
00:43:41,140 --> 00:43:38,720
on the internet and then the object

1070
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:41,150
moved down towards Long Beach and

1071
00:43:46,740 --> 00:43:43,970
disappeared 20 minutes after the firing

1072
00:43:48,970 --> 00:43:46,750
died down the object came back

1073
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:48,980
essentially based on all of the

1074
00:43:51,730 --> 00:43:50,210
correlating information through

1075
00:43:53,980 --> 00:43:51,740
government documents and newspaper

1076
00:43:56,230 --> 00:43:53,990
accounts the object reverse direction

1077
00:43:58,770 --> 00:43:56,240
from the direction it originally come

1078
00:44:02,500 --> 00:43:58,780
and then eventually disappeared off of

1079
00:44:04,630 --> 00:44:02,510
Santa Monica and so we have radar

1080
00:44:06,609 --> 00:44:04,640
confirmation we have visual sightings we

1081
00:44:09,099 --> 00:44:06,619
have a military engagement of this

1082
00:44:11,140 --> 00:44:09,109
object and we have photographic evidence

1083
00:44:12,849 --> 00:44:11,150
now the photograph that many people see

1084
00:44:15,310 --> 00:44:12,859
on the internet I'm here to tell you has

1085
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:15,320
been doctored now skeptics will

1086
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:16,970
immediately discount it saying well

1087
00:44:22,450 --> 00:44:19,450
there you go it's not valid information

1088
00:44:24,550 --> 00:44:22,460
for the point of clarification I have a

1089
00:44:26,530 --> 00:44:24,560
high-resolution scan of the original

1090
00:44:29,109 --> 00:44:26,540
negative that was secured by Ben Hansen

1091
00:44:31,780 --> 00:44:29,119
friend and researcher out in California

1092
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:31,790
yeah and for a documentary series he and

1093
00:44:34,839 --> 00:44:33,290
I were both working on ironically enough

1094
00:44:36,730 --> 00:44:34,849
he was working on an episode for the

1095
00:44:39,819 --> 00:44:36,740
Battle of LA I was working on an episode

1096
00:44:41,559 --> 00:44:39,829
on triangular UFOs he secured a

1097
00:44:43,569 --> 00:44:41,569
high-resolution scan of the original

1098
00:44:45,490 --> 00:44:43,579
negative and I've been able to look at

1099
00:44:48,220 --> 00:44:45,500
that and do some basic contrast

1100
00:44:50,380 --> 00:44:48,230
enhancement and I'm here to tell you

1101
00:44:52,569 --> 00:44:50,390
that there is an object in the

1102
00:44:54,490 --> 00:44:52,579
convergence of these searchlights it is

1103
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:54,500
not the object that many people have

1104
00:44:59,319 --> 00:44:57,050
extrapolated or have gleaned from the

1105
00:45:01,120 --> 00:44:59,329
photo that's on the Internet most people

1106
00:45:04,510 --> 00:45:01,130
you know they describe a circular object

1107
00:45:06,700 --> 00:45:04,520
with a little cupola or dome on top in

1108
00:45:08,290 --> 00:45:06,710
the original negative if you zoom in and

1109
00:45:10,420 --> 00:45:08,300
you do basic contrast enhancement

1110
00:45:13,270 --> 00:45:10,430
nothing fancy with Photoshop just basic

1111
00:45:15,130 --> 00:45:13,280
contrast enhancement you dim the photo

1112
00:45:17,260 --> 00:45:15,140
down to where all the searchlights

1113
00:45:21,809 --> 00:45:17,270
disappear and what you're left with is

1114
00:45:24,910 --> 00:45:21,819
this elongated oval shaped object and

1115
00:45:28,240 --> 00:45:24,920
around that are all of these very

1116
00:45:30,609 --> 00:45:28,250
intense bursts of light which are the

1117
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:30,619
anti-aircraft guns are bursts around the

1118
00:45:36,010 --> 00:45:33,410
object some have even speculated on the

1119
00:45:37,790 --> 00:45:36,020
object and what people see as a little

1120
00:45:41,570 --> 00:45:37,800
cupola or dome on the top is

1121
00:45:43,670 --> 00:45:41,580
and it's very clear are a series of any

1122
00:45:45,890 --> 00:45:43,680
aircraft bursts captured at the moment

1123
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:45,900
the photographer took that photo and

1124
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:48,090
it's unmistakable I mean I wish I could

1125
00:45:54,110 --> 00:45:49,890
share it with the audience but it's not

1126
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:54,120
the only photo known it well thank you

1127
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:55,770
thank you for clarifying that because

1128
00:46:00,860 --> 00:45:57,570
that always comes up in my lectures it's

1129
00:46:02,660 --> 00:46:00,870
the only known photo of that object but

1130
00:46:04,130 --> 00:46:02,670
as many people have asked Dave do you

1131
00:46:06,410 --> 00:46:04,140
really think the photographer just took

1132
00:46:08,690 --> 00:46:06,420
one photo and my answer is no in the

1133
00:46:12,770 --> 00:46:08,700
ensuing chaos now think of you as as a

1134
00:46:14,720 --> 00:46:12,780
Press reporter in 1942 you're seeing

1135
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:14,730
this object the searchlights are

1136
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:16,530
converged on it and they're throwing a

1137
00:46:21,830 --> 00:46:19,410
barrage of anti-aircraft shells 37

1138
00:46:24,020 --> 00:46:21,840
millimeter rounds 50 caliber rounds as

1139
00:46:26,900 --> 00:46:24,030
well as three inch shells at this object

1140
00:46:30,140 --> 00:46:26,910
over 1,400 rounds were extended towards

1141
00:46:32,150 --> 00:46:30,150
the same in your mind you're thinking I

1142
00:46:33,860 --> 00:46:32,160
have the story of the century the

1143
00:46:36,500 --> 00:46:33,870
Japanese are attacking and I'm here to

1144
00:46:38,330 --> 00:46:36,510
capture photos I find it very hard to

1145
00:46:40,580 --> 00:46:38,340
believe I think it stretches for jhula T

1146
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:40,590
that a photographer traipse out on a

1147
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:42,930
hillside got a great vantage point took

1148
00:46:47,030 --> 00:46:44,490
one photo turned around and got in his

1149
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:47,040
car and went home right somewhere at

1150
00:46:51,290 --> 00:46:49,770
some time maybe not today but somewhere

1151
00:46:53,720 --> 00:46:51,300
at some time there must have been other

1152
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:53,730
photos a sequence of photos taken of

1153
00:46:58,400 --> 00:46:56,490
this incident unfortunately as of right

1154
00:47:01,130 --> 00:46:58,410
now to our knowledge we only have the

1155
00:47:04,310 --> 00:47:01,140
one famous photo now do you have you

1156
00:47:06,550 --> 00:47:04,320
done research I'm sure you have and to

1157
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:06,560
who the photographer was and his family

1158
00:47:12,230 --> 00:47:09,690
yes survived family and all that yes

1159
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:12,240
it's nothing conclusive but if I was a

1160
00:47:16,790 --> 00:47:14,970
betting man which I'm not so what I'm

1161
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:16,800
about to say he has a lot of stock to it

1162
00:47:21,620 --> 00:47:19,050
if I was a betting man I would say I'm

1163
00:47:24,950 --> 00:47:21,630
about 95 percent certain I know who the

1164
00:47:27,380 --> 00:47:24,960
photographer was and just to back up for

1165
00:47:29,270 --> 00:47:27,390
a moment the original photo I have which

1166
00:47:30,530 --> 00:47:29,280
is a doctored one it's like the one you

1167
00:47:33,260 --> 00:47:30,540
see on the internet although it's much

1168
00:47:36,020 --> 00:47:33,270
cleaner he is an original 8 by 10

1169
00:47:36,470 --> 00:47:36,030
Associated Press Photo stamped on the

1170
00:47:40,490 --> 00:47:36,480
back

1171
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:40,500
February 25th 1942 and is unique enough

1172
00:47:46,010 --> 00:47:43,650
to have the original news teletype glued

1173
00:47:48,950 --> 00:47:46,020
to the back yep and it describes a

1174
00:47:50,900 --> 00:47:48,960
mysterious object that was sighted in

1175
00:47:54,799 --> 00:47:50,910
in the convergence of searchlights and

1176
00:47:57,049 --> 00:47:54,809
was shot at the photo came from a seller

1177
00:47:58,940 --> 00:47:57,059
on eBay I'd love to say there was a

1178
00:48:00,349 --> 00:47:58,950
wonderful back story channel where I

1179
00:48:03,049 --> 00:48:00,359
worked with a government agent that

1180
00:48:05,839 --> 00:48:03,059
leaked this information unfortunately I

1181
00:48:08,210 --> 00:48:05,849
got it off of ebay now that being said I

1182
00:48:10,819 --> 00:48:08,220
have many other historical photos from

1183
00:48:12,470 --> 00:48:10,829
that time period so I know the earmarks

1184
00:48:15,559 --> 00:48:12,480
to look for to show that it is a genuine

1185
00:48:18,770 --> 00:48:15,569
photo but I reached out to the seller

1186
00:48:21,559 --> 00:48:18,780
and became good friends with him and he

1187
00:48:24,140 --> 00:48:21,569
sold me a provided a series of other

1188
00:48:26,950 --> 00:48:24,150
photos from this collection long story

1189
00:48:29,569 --> 00:48:26,960
short I know we're tight on time the

1190
00:48:32,180 --> 00:48:29,579
collection belonged to an Associated

1191
00:48:36,470 --> 00:48:32,190
Press photographer by the name of IRA

1192
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:36,480
gold nur and IRA gold nur lived in the

1193
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:40,650
greater LA area in February 1942 we even

1194
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:43,290
have on the internet photos posted by

1195
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:45,930
The Associated Press of being Crosby and

1196
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:49,050
his family were Japanese citizens being

1197
00:48:53,660 --> 00:48:51,210
rounded up for interrogation by LA

1198
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:53,670
Police and the attribution on those

1199
00:48:59,270 --> 00:48:57,210
photos on the Internet are IRA W Goldner

1200
00:49:01,970 --> 00:48:59,280
so we know he was an Associated Press

1201
00:49:05,690 --> 00:49:01,980
Photo photographer he was in LA in

1202
00:49:08,210 --> 00:49:05,700
February 1942 and we have numerous other

1203
00:49:10,250 --> 00:49:08,220
photos from his collection and it was in

1204
00:49:12,460 --> 00:49:10,260
this collection that this photo and the

1205
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:12,470
new Sela type more Garner's bomb

1206
00:49:17,599 --> 00:49:14,010
interesting Wow

1207
00:49:21,289 --> 00:49:17,609
so I'm sure you've heard all of the

1208
00:49:22,670 --> 00:49:21,299
skeptical views of what this may be and

1209
00:49:26,599 --> 00:49:22,680
I'm sure you've approached it very

1210
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:26,609
carefully whether it was a balloon but

1211
00:49:32,799 --> 00:49:30,530
you're saying it changed and it changed

1212
00:49:35,839 --> 00:49:32,809
where it was going and then came back

1213
00:49:38,720 --> 00:49:35,849
which I feel would be very strange for a

1214
00:49:41,660 --> 00:49:38,730
balloon to do what are what are other

1215
00:49:44,599 --> 00:49:41,670
people proposing what this could have

1216
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:44,609
been well the most likely explanations

1217
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:46,490
that I've heard postulated by the the

1218
00:49:51,410 --> 00:49:49,530
skeptics it was all attributed to Judy

1219
00:49:53,900 --> 00:49:51,420
Warner's there was nothing there it was

1220
00:49:56,030 --> 00:49:53,910
just mass hallucination wonderful where

1221
00:49:57,260 --> 00:49:56,040
people were looking for Japanese planes

1222
00:50:00,260 --> 00:49:57,270
so they looked up in the sky and they

1223
00:50:02,220 --> 00:50:00,270
saw them that's one explanation well

1224
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:02,230
firstly Island played a role of

1225
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:05,050
what into oh it did and as I mentioned

1226
00:50:10,260 --> 00:50:07,890
earlier there was this area there were

1227
00:50:12,270 --> 00:50:10,270
misidentifications that took place but

1228
00:50:14,550 --> 00:50:12,280
the one thing I like to say is if we

1229
00:50:16,050 --> 00:50:14,560
want to go with that theory and I tried

1230
00:50:18,780 --> 00:50:16,060
to knock out every possible explanation

1231
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:18,790
I don't look for UFO as the primary

1232
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:20,530
explanation when I go into these cases

1233
00:50:26,250 --> 00:50:22,810
if anything it's the last explanation I

1234
00:50:28,980 --> 00:50:26,260
look for the the fact of the matter is

1235
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:28,990
we have a radar target now radar was

1236
00:50:33,570 --> 00:50:31,450
screwed in 1942 - I concede that but we

1237
00:50:35,580 --> 00:50:33,580
had three separate radars correlated on

1238
00:50:38,220 --> 00:50:35,590
a target moving a hundred and twenty

1239
00:50:41,010 --> 00:50:38,230
miles inbound off the Pacific moving

1240
00:50:41,490 --> 00:50:41,020
towards the greater LA area to my

1241
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:41,500
knowledge

1242
00:50:44,970 --> 00:50:43,330
hallucinations and war nerves can't be

1243
00:50:47,849 --> 00:50:44,980
tracked on radar

1244
00:50:49,849 --> 00:50:47,859
in addition hallucinations and war

1245
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:49,859
nerves can't be photographed so

1246
00:50:54,570 --> 00:50:52,570
something was obviously tracked on radar

1247
00:50:56,700 --> 00:50:54,580
something was photographed what that

1248
00:50:59,070 --> 00:50:56,710
something is I don't know it's a genuine

1249
00:51:00,480 --> 00:50:59,080
unidentified flying object but most of

1250
00:51:02,430 --> 00:51:00,490
the skeptics will attribute it to a

1251
00:51:04,740 --> 00:51:02,440
barrage balloon that broke loose from

1252
00:51:06,630 --> 00:51:04,750
its tether and floated around and that's

1253
00:51:08,910 --> 00:51:06,640
what people saw and I would concede that

1254
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:08,920
the general shape of the the untouched

1255
00:51:15,240 --> 00:51:12,490
photo is a roughly elliptical shaped

1256
00:51:17,750 --> 00:51:15,250
object which does some port with a an

1257
00:51:21,510 --> 00:51:17,760
anti-aircraft barrage balloon however

1258
00:51:24,240 --> 00:51:21,520
the Navy and the army were at odds with

1259
00:51:25,710 --> 00:51:24,250
an official explanation the simplest

1260
00:51:28,109 --> 00:51:25,720
thing for them to come up with would be

1261
00:51:30,090 --> 00:51:28,119
to say it was a barrage balloon it broke

1262
00:51:31,740 --> 00:51:30,100
loose was captured in our searchlights

1263
00:51:33,750 --> 00:51:31,750
and we shot it down the problem with

1264
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:33,760
that is they never recovered a barrage

1265
00:51:37,470 --> 00:51:35,770
balloon there was never a report in any

1266
00:51:40,470 --> 00:51:37,480
of the military reports which I obtained

1267
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:40,480
through Barry Greenwoods research there

1268
00:51:43,950 --> 00:51:42,130
was never a missing barrage balloon

1269
00:51:44,940 --> 00:51:43,960
there was never the remnants of a

1270
00:51:46,740 --> 00:51:44,950
balloon which these things are very

1271
00:51:49,530 --> 00:51:46,750
large you know they're an excess of 75

1272
00:51:51,150 --> 00:51:49,540
feet long you can't miss a barrage

1273
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:51,160
balloon a cycle not light not like a

1274
00:51:55,830 --> 00:51:53,050
little weather balloon and to your point

1275
00:51:58,740 --> 00:51:55,840
Martin which is a valid point a barrage

1276
00:52:02,220 --> 00:51:58,750
balloon isn't going to move inland from

1277
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:02,230
120 miles off the Pacific then maneuver

1278
00:52:06,240 --> 00:52:04,570
around the greater LA area disappear for

1279
00:52:08,790 --> 00:52:06,250
20 minutes and then circle back in

1280
00:52:10,830 --> 00:52:08,800
reverse course yeah have some strange

1281
00:52:13,170 --> 00:52:10,840
wind patterns for that to happen that's

1282
00:52:15,859 --> 00:52:13,180
one hell of a balloon let me tell you

1283
00:52:17,420 --> 00:52:15,869
yeah we only have like three minute

1284
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:17,430
so there's no way we can get into your

1285
00:52:25,339 --> 00:52:22,170
New Mexico save that for another time no

1286
00:52:28,220 --> 00:52:25,349
no the one thing also on this I know

1287
00:52:29,809 --> 00:52:28,230
there were several people that yeah we

1288
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:29,819
got three minutes several people that

1289
00:52:33,980 --> 00:52:31,890
actually died do you know I mean some of

1290
00:52:35,900 --> 00:52:33,990
them from the shell casings I believe

1291
00:52:39,109 --> 00:52:35,910
and one of a heart attack or something

1292
00:52:40,970 --> 00:52:39,119
like that actually surprisingly none

1293
00:52:42,499 --> 00:52:40,980
from shell casings there were injuries

1294
00:52:44,269 --> 00:52:42,509
but no deaths attributed to shell

1295
00:52:45,980 --> 00:52:44,279
casings because to your point

1296
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:45,990
what goes up comes down and there was a

1297
00:52:49,819 --> 00:52:48,450
lot of shrapnel that did a lot of

1298
00:52:51,589 --> 00:52:49,829
property damage

1299
00:52:54,079 --> 00:52:51,599
there's many photos in the original

1300
00:52:56,029 --> 00:52:54,089
newspapers I have a property damage the

1301
00:52:57,589 --> 00:52:56,039
deaths were actually attributed and I do

1302
00:52:58,940 --> 00:52:57,599
bring that up in my in my lecture

1303
00:53:01,039 --> 00:52:58,950
because a lot of people like to laugh at

1304
00:53:03,079 --> 00:53:01,049
this case the skeptics especially but I

1305
00:53:04,460 --> 00:53:03,089
do dedicate a slide to the fact in the

1306
00:53:06,410 --> 00:53:04,470
memory of those people that did lose

1307
00:53:08,299 --> 00:53:06,420
their lives during this incident but

1308
00:53:10,460 --> 00:53:08,309
they were unfortunately attributed to

1309
00:53:12,710 --> 00:53:10,470
vehicular accidents people trying to

1310
00:53:14,269 --> 00:53:12,720
drive during the blackout and they

1311
00:53:16,220 --> 00:53:14,279
either ran into another vehicle or they

1312
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:16,230
ran into an obstacle and then

1313
00:53:20,569 --> 00:53:18,690
unfortunately but yet no surprise some

1314
00:53:23,210 --> 00:53:20,579
were attributed to heart attacks people

1315
00:53:25,999 --> 00:53:23,220
were so panicked by this the wailing of

1316
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:26,009
anti-aircraft you know sirens and then

1317
00:53:30,349 --> 00:53:27,930
of course the concussion an explosion of

1318
00:53:32,539 --> 00:53:30,359
all these anti-aircraft shells threw a

1319
00:53:34,729 --> 00:53:32,549
lot of people into cardiac arrest and

1320
00:53:37,910 --> 00:53:34,739
who unfortunately later died Wow

1321
00:53:42,289 --> 00:53:37,920
so now this is weird so 1942 this

1322
00:53:43,749 --> 00:53:42,299
happens and so what happens between 1942

1323
00:53:46,579 --> 00:53:43,759
and 1947

1324
00:53:50,269 --> 00:53:46,589
mm-hmm do we know how many UFO

1325
00:53:52,370 --> 00:53:50,279
encounters there yes there are a number

1326
00:53:53,539 --> 00:53:52,380
and specifically I would cite and I just

1327
00:53:56,299 --> 00:53:53,549
gave a lecture in Roswell New Mexico

1328
00:54:00,680 --> 00:53:56,309
last year on this talking about cases

1329
00:54:02,359 --> 00:54:00,690
prior to the famous Roswell incident the

1330
00:54:03,950 --> 00:54:02,369
Foo Fighters sightings over in the

1331
00:54:07,279 --> 00:54:03,960
'european at the cinema theater of world

1332
00:54:09,979 --> 00:54:07,289
war ii we had numerous well documented

1333
00:54:11,749 --> 00:54:09,989
cases of UFOs and anomalous lights that

1334
00:54:14,390 --> 00:54:11,759
were seen so this may have been a

1335
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:14,400
precursor to those series of events and

1336
00:54:18,589 --> 00:54:16,890
sightings we just simply don't know but

1337
00:54:21,079 --> 00:54:18,599
until Kenneth Arnold had his sighting

1338
00:54:23,839 --> 00:54:21,089
there wasn't really too much in the news

1339
00:54:26,509 --> 00:54:23,849
I know the the Foo Fighters you know and

1340
00:54:27,720 --> 00:54:26,519
I know also in Sweden there were the

1341
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:27,730
ghost ships or

1342
00:54:32,010 --> 00:54:30,130
rockets yes yes I have some original

1343
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:32,020
newspapers from that time period as well

1344
00:54:36,599 --> 00:54:34,810
and a very interesting but and that's

1345
00:54:39,180 --> 00:54:36,609
why I like the Battle of LA case because

1346
00:54:40,620 --> 00:54:39,190
in contradiction of the skeptics let's

1347
00:54:43,500 --> 00:54:40,630
say people look up because they want to

1348
00:54:45,690 --> 00:54:43,510
see UFOs do UFOs and flying saucers

1349
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:45,700
weren't even in our lexicon and I'm 42

1350
00:54:48,750 --> 00:54:47,650
yeah so you can take that explanation

1351
00:54:50,700 --> 00:54:48,760
right off the table

1352
00:54:53,820 --> 00:54:50,710
yeah that's that's what I like about

1353
00:54:56,010 --> 00:54:53,830
some of the cases that are like for

1354
00:54:59,040 --> 00:54:56,020
instance the aerial school incident they

1355
00:55:00,330 --> 00:54:59,050
didn't yet know of the word UFO or hear

1356
00:55:01,890 --> 00:55:00,340
anything about it they had no way to

1357
00:55:06,240 --> 00:55:01,900
know anything about it yet they had an

1358
00:55:07,770 --> 00:55:06,250
amazing encounter that are gonna be

1359
00:55:10,470 --> 00:55:07,780
coming up we'll probably have some in

1360
00:55:13,830 --> 00:55:10,480
Saigon that's right that's right so I

1361
00:55:18,210 --> 00:55:13,840
think we're ready to go into our break

1362
00:55:21,210 --> 00:55:18,220
so we're I want to say we're going to be

1363
00:55:24,450 --> 00:55:21,220
coming back with James Fox and Lee

1364
00:55:26,609 --> 00:55:24,460
Spiegel and our guests now Dave Marlar

1365
00:55:29,910 --> 00:55:26,619
be saying on so you're listening to

1366
00:55:35,180 --> 00:55:29,920
podcast UFO on kgr radio and we'll be

1367
00:55:41,930 --> 00:55:39,230
good job good job here with four minutes

1368
00:55:43,700 --> 00:55:41,940
in this break it never amazes me how

1369
00:55:47,030 --> 00:55:43,710
fast time flies when we talk about our

1370
00:55:48,530 --> 00:55:47,040
favorite subject it's really like that

1371
00:55:49,340 --> 00:55:48,540
there's so much more to talk about I'm

1372
00:55:53,420 --> 00:55:49,350
gonna get Lee

1373
00:55:57,530 --> 00:55:53,430
so Rachel get James on your end I will

1374
00:55:59,720 --> 00:55:57,540
okay I'm gonna get Lee right now and

1375
00:56:02,900 --> 00:55:59,730
this this is live people are listening

1376
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:02,910
to this on youtube so they're getting a

1377
00:56:08,090 --> 00:56:04,770
little behind the scenes type of things

1378
00:56:09,110 --> 00:56:08,100
going on well I apologize that we didn't

1379
00:56:10,730 --> 00:56:09,120
have more time to get into some

1380
00:56:13,130 --> 00:56:10,740
specifics that like you said mark maybe

1381
00:56:14,450 --> 00:56:13,140
a future show I would always the left

1382
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:14,460
you know I've been trying to get you on

1383
00:56:17,870 --> 00:56:16,290
and you you just say you're such a busy

1384
00:56:21,140 --> 00:56:17,880
guy hello hello

1385
00:56:23,540 --> 00:56:21,150
well that's Lee spiegel's voice wait a

1386
00:56:29,030 --> 00:56:23,550
minute I can't like you can't hear

1387
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:29,040
awesome II all right we hear you Lee I

1388
00:56:38,330 --> 00:56:34,290
mean wait hold on one second well you're

1389
00:56:41,150 --> 00:56:38,340
you're alive so I'm live yeah oh you

1390
00:56:46,130 --> 00:56:41,160
can't hear us now please Spiegel I can't

1391
00:56:48,950 --> 00:56:46,140
hello mr. Hobbes no per game oh

1392
00:56:50,060 --> 00:56:48,960
that's not good I just can't leave a

1393
00:56:52,790 --> 00:56:50,070
couple of minutes ago

1394
00:56:58,430 --> 00:56:52,800
all right you better text him he's

1395
00:57:02,890 --> 00:56:58,440
supposed to be oh nine number up that

1396
00:57:09,110 --> 00:57:07,790
MJ me you on hello hey James how are ya

1397
00:57:14,140 --> 00:57:09,120
it's Martin Willis so you're on with a

1398
00:57:18,580 --> 00:57:14,150
whole bunch of us good how are you doing

1399
00:57:21,590 --> 00:57:18,590
good in the Edit room as we speak just

1400
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:21,600
working continuously on on today

1401
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:24,330
particularly rural Zimbabwe case in 1994

1402
00:57:32,870 --> 00:57:27,090
case oh wow we were just talking about

1403
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:32,880
that anyway so James thanks so much for

1404
00:57:37,430 --> 00:57:34,890
being willing to do this because I know

1405
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:37,440
you are Lee's been telling me how

1406
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:40,050
absolute Jam do you are trying to get

1407
00:57:45,020 --> 00:57:43,290
this done and I'm really excited thank

1408
00:57:47,210 --> 00:57:45,030
you yeah you could do this we are in

1409
00:57:48,589 --> 00:57:47,220
YouTube live and are still on kgr a

1410
00:57:51,420 --> 00:57:48,599
break

1411
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:51,430
okay great well yeah I don't I don't I

1412
00:57:55,230 --> 00:57:52,930
don't think I was trying to reflect back

1413
00:57:58,170 --> 00:57:55,240
at a time when I was this busy and I am

1414
00:58:00,120 --> 00:57:58,180
having a hard time remembering like out

1415
00:58:03,690 --> 00:58:00,130
of the blue film or anything like that

1416
00:58:05,940 --> 00:58:03,700
had had you ever been this chanter you

1417
00:58:11,790 --> 00:58:05,950
are you you're in the editing phase now

1418
00:58:15,390 --> 00:58:11,800
right yeah yeah we're 98% done shooting

1419
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:15,400
and we're we've got three editors

1420
00:58:21,420 --> 00:58:17,890
working pretty much around the clock oh

1421
00:58:26,820 --> 00:58:21,430
my god Wow it's gentleman two minutes to

1422
00:58:28,859 --> 00:58:26,830
go many well okay so what James is

1423
00:58:30,930 --> 00:58:28,869
actually trying to say here is he

1424
00:58:33,750 --> 00:58:30,940
doesn't really need me to come out to

1425
00:58:37,530 --> 00:58:33,760
California the shattered and help them

1426
00:59:01,099 --> 00:58:37,540
complete this thing you're just gonna be

1427
00:59:08,070 --> 00:59:06,329
okay for me for me I'm told that while

1428
00:59:10,710 --> 00:59:08,080
we're doing any editing up there if I

1429
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:10,720
need to have a bathroom break it's 80

1430
00:59:15,540 --> 00:59:13,210
steps to the nearest bathroom yeah I

1431
00:59:17,670 --> 00:59:15,550
remember being I remember what it's like

1432
00:59:21,410 --> 00:59:17,680
I change I think I told you this before

1433
00:59:26,250 --> 00:59:21,420
I lived in Tiburon for nine years and

1434
00:59:28,230 --> 00:59:26,260
moved back here I think I don't know

1435
00:59:30,710 --> 00:59:28,240
it's been seven years now but I was in

1436
00:59:33,870 --> 00:59:30,720
Tiburon so I used to go up your way

1437
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:33,880
Bolinas and like a whole area Stinson

1438
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:35,650
Beach and point raised and all that

1439
00:59:41,490 --> 00:59:39,970
really beautiful area and it is

1440
00:59:44,579 --> 00:59:41,500
wonderful and the weather is just

1441
00:59:48,599 --> 00:59:44,589
amazing but I do remember those windy

1442
00:59:53,510 --> 00:59:48,609
roads going past muir woods and all up

1443
00:59:57,359 --> 00:59:53,520
over the mountain and Mount Tam that

1444
01:00:01,410 --> 00:59:57,369
believeth and wet were impure yeah

1445
01:00:02,309 --> 01:00:01,420
that's what it's called can't take those

1446
01:00:05,729 --> 01:00:02,319
turns so

1447
01:00:10,170 --> 01:00:05,739
you know what you get to bleed if you've

1448
01:00:12,420 --> 01:00:10,180
earned it it's if you're a passenger in

1449
01:00:16,910 --> 01:00:12,430
a car that's going up the mountain at

1450
01:00:21,329 --> 01:00:20,209
all right guys 20 seconds stand by

1451
01:00:23,699 --> 01:00:21,339
Martin

1452
01:00:28,939 --> 01:00:23,709
okay sure all right here we go stand by

1453
01:00:36,539 --> 01:00:33,749
that's right that's my line I know he

1454
01:00:43,140 --> 01:00:36,549
says it every other moment I literally

1455
01:00:49,979 --> 01:00:45,269
here we go Martin you ready yeah I'm

1456
01:00:55,589 --> 01:00:49,989
ready Lee yes Marler yes sir

1457
01:01:01,489 --> 01:00:55,599
and senior Fox everybody else here we go

1458
01:01:05,069 --> 01:01:01,499
guys in five four three two

1459
01:01:09,059 --> 01:01:05,079
welcome back to podcast UFO on kgr radio

1460
01:01:11,819 --> 01:01:09,069
kgr radio calm my guests our David

1461
01:01:17,660 --> 01:01:11,829
Marlar leaves spiegel and James Fox we

1462
01:01:23,699 --> 01:01:22,410
I was gonna do the second half I was

1463
01:01:24,239 --> 01:01:23,709
delighted to hear that he's on with us

1464
01:01:28,140 --> 01:01:24,249
now

1465
01:01:33,029 --> 01:01:28,150
oh yeah yeah he's stuck he's stuck with

1466
01:01:36,180 --> 01:01:33,039
us so so we have a lot to get to it and

1467
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:36,190
we have one hour here and I've been

1468
01:01:39,959 --> 01:01:38,650
talking quite a bit with Lee over the

1469
01:01:45,509 --> 01:01:39,969
last year we've had a lot of great

1470
01:01:46,769 --> 01:01:45,519
conversations and so James can you what

1471
01:02:08,279 --> 01:01:46,779
can you tell us about what you're

1472
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:08,289
working on well about six years ago when

1473
01:02:13,890 --> 01:02:11,130
I received a phone call from Tracy Torme

1474
01:02:15,990 --> 01:02:13,900
and I don't know how much you want me to

1475
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:16,000
get into it but he

1476
01:02:19,890 --> 01:02:18,250
planted the seed of producing the

1477
01:02:22,500 --> 01:02:19,900
seminal dr. Peter length documentary

1478
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:22,510
film on the subject of UFOs that would

1479
01:02:25,890 --> 01:02:24,490
sort of set the record straight once and

1480
01:02:28,020 --> 01:02:25,900
for all you know sort of high production

1481
01:02:31,020 --> 01:02:28,030
values some of the best cases that sort

1482
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:31,030
of thing and I tried with my last two

1483
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:34,770
productions to do that and I felt that

1484
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:39,730
while I did fairly well that that there

1485
01:02:42,410 --> 01:02:41,170
was lots of room for improvement and

1486
01:02:45,900 --> 01:02:42,420
then I could have done a lot better I

1487
01:02:48,630 --> 01:02:45,910
remember when I finished I know what I

1488
01:02:50,550 --> 01:02:48,640
saw it was incredibly challenging just

1489
01:02:52,470 --> 01:02:50,560
even what the film was done to get it

1490
01:02:54,090 --> 01:02:52,480
sold and get it delivered was was

1491
01:02:59,100 --> 01:02:54,100
incredibly challenging and required

1492
01:03:01,920 --> 01:02:59,110
raising more funds and very difficult

1493
01:03:04,350 --> 01:03:01,930
guidelines to adhere to with the with

1494
01:03:05,100 --> 01:03:04,360
Amy in case when I finished it I

1495
01:03:09,180 --> 01:03:05,110
remember I was I was a little

1496
01:03:11,190 --> 01:03:09,190
disappointed and you know it was

1497
01:03:12,180 --> 01:03:11,200
broadcast on his channel and might get

1498
01:03:14,490 --> 01:03:12,190
my dad's would have pulled me inside

1499
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:14,500
he's like what's going on I said I don't

1500
01:03:29,310 --> 01:03:15,730
know that I really feel like it could

1501
01:03:31,830 --> 01:03:29,320
have done a lot better but every time I

1502
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:31,840
finished a UFO film I always say it's

1503
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:40,710
any more he called me up about six years

1504
01:03:44,670 --> 01:03:42,370
ago and he said that I saw your movie

1505
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:44,680
and I'd given up UFOs and it's been so

1506
01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:47,050
long but I got inspired and then I read

1507
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:49,570
Leslie game's book and how would you

1508
01:03:53,580 --> 01:03:51,970
like to team up and produce the you know

1509
01:03:56,370 --> 01:03:53,590
and I thought my gosh this is kind of

1510
01:04:00,890 --> 01:03:56,380
what my dream has been and so we decided

1511
01:04:03,660 --> 01:04:00,900
to you know to to launch this film and

1512
01:04:06,270 --> 01:04:03,670
we've gone through a lot of a lot of

1513
01:04:09,570 --> 01:04:06,280
partners and funders and backers and

1514
01:04:11,250 --> 01:04:09,580
names but here we are six years later

1515
01:04:12,930 --> 01:04:11,260
and we're about three four months away

1516
01:04:15,900 --> 01:04:12,940
from having a really good solid ruffcut

1517
01:04:17,820 --> 01:04:15,910
to start shopping so I can't wait Leigh

1518
01:04:22,380 --> 01:04:17,830
has filled me in little things that I

1519
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:22,390
have to keep secret and and I'm sure the

1520
01:04:27,150 --> 01:04:25,330
listeners love to hear that but I just

1521
01:04:29,220 --> 01:04:27,160
can't wait for this to come out and I

1522
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:29,230
have said many times

1523
01:04:34,650 --> 01:04:31,210
you know that you have made my favorite

1524
01:04:35,070 --> 01:04:34,660
UFO movies of all times you know out of

1525
01:04:37,490 --> 01:04:35,080
the blue

1526
01:04:40,109 --> 01:04:37,500
and I know what I saw both are just

1527
01:04:41,940 --> 01:04:40,119
top-notch so I'm really really looking

1528
01:04:43,770 --> 01:04:41,950
forward to this and from what I

1529
01:04:45,780 --> 01:04:43,780
understand you have some great funding

1530
01:04:48,170 --> 01:04:45,790
and you're doing things perfect and

1531
01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:48,180
right so it's going to be real exciting

1532
01:04:52,050 --> 01:04:50,530
you know it's funny I was just having

1533
01:04:55,260 --> 01:04:52,060
this conversation last night with a

1534
01:04:56,670 --> 01:04:55,270
gentleman who was working with John Mack

1535
01:05:00,390 --> 01:04:56,680
back in the 90s and they were going to

1536
01:05:03,090 --> 01:05:00,400
do something for The Learning Channel

1537
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:03,100
and it was going to cover among other

1538
01:05:08,970 --> 01:05:05,530
things the roux is in Bob Boyd case and

1539
01:05:10,380 --> 01:05:08,980
he had been given because he was working

1540
01:05:12,870 --> 01:05:10,390
with John Mac he'd been given all the

1541
01:05:15,180 --> 01:05:12,880
original tapes of material John Mac had

1542
01:05:20,010 --> 01:05:15,190
had and of course the project kind of

1543
01:05:22,650 --> 01:05:20,020
fell apart and and then you know John

1544
01:05:24,660 --> 01:05:22,660
Mac looked the wrong way and was was run

1545
01:05:26,820 --> 01:05:24,670
down in England right so the whole

1546
01:05:29,580 --> 01:05:26,830
project was sad but I bumped into this

1547
01:05:32,310 --> 01:05:29,590
guy I literally bumped into him on the

1548
01:05:34,470 --> 01:05:32,320
street in Colorado and we started

1549
01:05:36,270 --> 01:05:34,480
talking and long story short he's now

1550
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:36,280
we've been helping out with the Ruhr

1551
01:05:38,820 --> 01:05:37,690
case because it's been something that he

1552
01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:38,830
started 20 years ago and he's really

1553
01:05:43,230 --> 01:05:40,570
excited to get involved but he pulled me

1554
01:05:45,210 --> 01:05:43,240
aside last night and he said gosh I'm so

1555
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:45,220
impressed with the production values it

1556
01:05:49,349 --> 01:05:47,410
looks like 60 minutes or like you know I

1557
01:05:52,770 --> 01:05:49,359
said well that's no accident because

1558
01:05:54,660 --> 01:05:52,780
when I know what I saw was finished we

1559
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:54,670
were shopping it and Lionsgate was going

1560
01:05:57,359 --> 01:05:55,330
to pick it up

1561
01:05:58,200 --> 01:05:57,369
because I wouldn't been happier

1562
01:05:59,670 --> 01:05:58,210
obviously the money would have been

1563
01:06:01,410 --> 01:05:59,680
great but the level of global

1564
01:06:04,530 --> 01:06:01,420
distribution would have been phenomenal

1565
01:06:06,630 --> 01:06:04,540
for the cause and at the last minute

1566
01:06:08,940 --> 01:06:06,640
they pulled out they said the production

1567
01:06:11,550 --> 01:06:08,950
values were subpar which is the kind of

1568
01:06:13,950 --> 01:06:11,560
work and so I said to myself that very

1569
01:06:16,349 --> 01:06:13,960
moment back 2008 I'll never make that

1570
01:06:17,790 --> 01:06:16,359
mistake again so one of the things

1571
01:06:21,540 --> 01:06:17,800
that's really gonna stand out in the

1572
01:06:24,990 --> 01:06:21,550
film for a lot of people out there is we

1573
01:06:26,099 --> 01:06:25,000
hired top-notch cameramen and audio

1574
01:06:27,690 --> 01:06:26,109
pendant lighting but I mean there are

1575
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:27,700
some occasions where we were kind of in

1576
01:06:31,500 --> 01:06:29,410
the trenches in foreign countries where

1577
01:06:33,300 --> 01:06:31,510
things didn't go perfectly well but for

1578
01:06:36,810 --> 01:06:33,310
the most part it's just it's stunningly

1579
01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:36,820
it's really beautiful look at Molly look

1580
01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:40,570
like you know front line 60-minute it's

1581
01:06:44,089 --> 01:06:42,490
great and I'm really happy that we could

1582
01:06:47,370 --> 01:06:44,099
we

1583
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:47,380
the subject has been lacking then you

1584
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:47,890
know what I mean

1585
01:06:52,620 --> 01:06:50,410
yeah right I'm gonna bring lien four in

1586
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:52,630
just a minute but one thing before I do

1587
01:06:57,599 --> 01:06:56,410
I want to ask you I know that it started

1588
01:06:59,069 --> 01:06:57,609
out a lot of people been talking about

1589
01:07:02,490 --> 01:06:59,079
the name of the film and they started

1590
01:07:04,349 --> 01:07:02,500
saying is this 701 it's not 701 anymore

1591
01:07:06,780 --> 01:07:04,359
I know you have kind of like oh you're

1592
01:07:10,790 --> 01:07:06,790
working with a title to the movie is

1593
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:10,800
that something you can talk about and

1594
01:07:16,380 --> 01:07:13,770
before before you before you answer that

1595
01:07:20,549 --> 01:07:16,390
is it still going to have the theme of

1596
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:20,559
of the 701 cases or is it just change

1597
01:07:26,579 --> 01:07:24,250
tack completely well you know the only

1598
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:26,589
thing that it was never intended

1599
01:07:33,059 --> 01:07:28,930
initially the reason why we chose the

1600
01:07:37,740 --> 01:07:33,069
number 701 was because the amount of

1601
01:07:38,970 --> 01:07:37,750
cases gets 5118 was it if I'm wrong they

1602
01:07:41,549 --> 01:07:38,980
were investigated by the United States

1603
01:07:44,190 --> 01:07:41,559
Air Force from 47 to 69 and out of which

1604
01:07:46,770 --> 01:07:44,200
have another one remained unexplained it

1605
01:07:49,049 --> 01:07:46,780
might have been more anyway but in any

1606
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:49,059
case it was that stubborn small

1607
01:07:55,109 --> 01:07:52,170
percentage of cases that seem to defy a

1608
01:07:57,390 --> 01:07:55,119
terrestrial or prosaic explanation and

1609
01:08:00,539 --> 01:07:57,400
that's why we thought that would be

1610
01:08:02,549 --> 01:08:00,549
fitting for the film is that what it

1611
01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:02,559
represents not necessarily some of the

1612
01:08:10,339 --> 01:08:05,290
cases would be from the files from

1613
01:08:13,319 --> 01:08:10,349
Project Blue Book and the like but but

1614
01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:13,329
we're we're looking for a different

1615
01:08:16,979 --> 01:08:15,250
title so we have a working title of UFOs

1616
01:08:19,140 --> 01:08:16,989
what we now know again it's just a

1617
01:08:21,930 --> 01:08:19,150
working title right okay

1618
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:21,940
so Lee what is ship in your role in

1619
01:08:31,700 --> 01:08:26,770
helping with this film I am executive

1620
01:08:43,829 --> 01:08:31,710
producer director scriptwriter music

1621
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:43,839
creator well sure you forgot that when

1622
01:08:52,590 --> 01:08:50,890
when James go okay yes okay yeah

1623
01:08:56,910 --> 01:08:52,600
that's gonna be too crowded for my

1624
01:09:00,030 --> 01:08:56,920
business card I can't do that when we

1625
01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:00,040
James first asked me to even come on

1626
01:09:06,150 --> 01:09:03,850
board with the team I couldn't because I

1627
01:09:07,289 --> 01:09:06,160
was still working and writing for the

1628
01:09:10,530 --> 01:09:07,299
Huffington Post

1629
01:09:13,320 --> 01:09:10,540
sure and would have been a conflict of

1630
01:09:16,590 --> 01:09:13,330
interest for me to continue writing for

1631
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:16,600
them and also to be writing with James

1632
01:09:24,780 --> 01:09:21,730
and almost exactly a year ago I became

1633
01:09:28,950 --> 01:09:24,790
one of about 2,100 people who who fell

1634
01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:28,960
victim to a gigantic layoff at a big

1635
01:09:34,709 --> 01:09:31,210
company that involved

1636
01:09:36,419 --> 01:09:34,719
AOL Yahoo Verizon and HuffPost to many

1637
01:09:41,729 --> 01:09:36,429
people doing the same kind of jobs and

1638
01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:41,739
so they lie to me and that same day I

1639
01:09:47,130 --> 01:09:44,770
called James and I said are you still

1640
01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:47,140
interested in having me work on the

1641
01:09:51,059 --> 01:09:49,690
script and he said why did something

1642
01:09:54,910 --> 01:09:51,069
happen I said yeah I just got laid off

1643
01:10:10,760 --> 01:09:54,920
and he and he wouldn't stop laughing

1644
01:10:16,770 --> 01:10:14,370
yeah yeah and it was it was great and I

1645
01:10:23,030 --> 01:10:16,780
said yeah I'm ready to jump on board now

1646
01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:23,040
and I am so impressed with mr. Fox's

1647
01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:26,290
passion not only for the subject matter

1648
01:10:33,390 --> 01:10:30,130
but I mean this man is working six seven

1649
01:10:36,500 --> 01:10:33,400
days a week sitting at an editing studio

1650
01:10:40,669 --> 01:10:36,510
and he's going through I'm gonna say

1651
01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:40,679
conservatively thousands of feet or

1652
01:10:48,180 --> 01:10:44,770
inches or yards of videotape he has shot

1653
01:10:52,380 --> 01:10:48,190
around the world not to mention the

1654
01:10:56,540 --> 01:10:52,390
amazing footage he shot with his two

1655
01:10:59,580 --> 01:10:56,550
count'em two outstanding drones that

1656
01:11:01,620 --> 01:10:59,590
he's been using I mean and without

1657
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:01,630
giving anything away I will tell you

1658
01:11:08,070 --> 01:11:06,010
this the opening sequence of this film

1659
01:11:10,140 --> 01:11:08,080
is going to take everybody's breath away

1660
01:11:13,020 --> 01:11:10,150
and that's a that's all

1661
01:11:14,850 --> 01:11:13,030
yeah it's it's so good and I know what

1662
01:11:21,330 --> 01:11:14,860
it is to it I have to keep the secret I

1663
01:11:24,919 --> 01:11:21,340
don't like that so hey go ahead join her

1664
01:11:29,550 --> 01:11:24,929
Jane would say that there are several

1665
01:11:31,169 --> 01:11:29,560
pinch me moment for me and I know for

1666
01:11:32,340 --> 01:11:31,179
Lee as well and thank God Lee was

1667
01:11:34,380 --> 01:11:32,350
sitting right next to me during those

1668
01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:34,390
times actually at least a couple of them

1669
01:11:38,669 --> 01:11:37,330
yeah you're sitting there filming and

1670
01:11:39,899 --> 01:11:38,679
you're conducting this interview and

1671
01:11:45,270 --> 01:11:39,909
you're thinking how the hell did I get

1672
01:11:47,550 --> 01:11:45,280
here yes why am I so lucky you know and

1673
01:11:49,200 --> 01:11:47,560
I remember a couple of times and I quite

1674
01:11:51,479 --> 01:11:49,210
seriously mean this I would literally

1675
01:11:53,100 --> 01:11:51,489
pinch my leg to see if I'm dreaming or

1676
01:11:56,040 --> 01:11:53,110
not and there are definitely a couple of

1677
01:11:57,950 --> 01:11:56,050
moments like that in the film oh oh yeah

1678
01:12:00,510 --> 01:11:57,960
I mean we have people who we've already

1679
01:12:02,790 --> 01:12:00,520
interviewed there in the can that are

1680
01:12:06,590 --> 01:12:02,800
amazing from from from politics to

1681
01:12:09,450 --> 01:12:06,600
military to science to law enforcement

1682
01:12:12,810 --> 01:12:09,460
just just an incredible array of people

1683
01:12:15,899 --> 01:12:12,820
who just wanted to come forward and and

1684
01:12:17,970 --> 01:12:15,909
get something off their chest as so many

1685
01:12:20,189 --> 01:12:17,980
people have not felt that they could for

1686
01:12:23,459 --> 01:12:20,199
so many years and we're we're in a

1687
01:12:25,200 --> 01:12:23,469
really good position to present this

1688
01:12:28,229 --> 01:12:25,210
film and it's gonna be a little

1689
01:12:31,290 --> 01:12:28,239
different from other documentaries we're

1690
01:12:32,729 --> 01:12:31,300
not out there making claim that the

1691
01:12:35,399 --> 01:12:32,739
United States government or the

1692
01:12:37,439 --> 01:12:35,409
governments of the world are just lying

1693
01:12:39,810 --> 01:12:37,449
to us you know for their own purposes

1694
01:12:42,479 --> 01:12:39,820
and it's a gigantic conspiracy theory no

1695
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:42,489
no we leave that to other folks who want

1696
01:12:46,919 --> 01:12:45,010
to put that in documentaries we're going

1697
01:12:49,439 --> 01:12:46,929
in a different direction one that I

1698
01:12:51,390 --> 01:12:49,449
think people will resonate with when

1699
01:12:53,570 --> 01:12:51,400
they see this wow we have the drone

1700
01:12:56,330 --> 01:12:53,580
picture when you were up on Mount Tam

1701
01:12:58,380 --> 01:12:56,340
showing now and no tube so you know

1702
01:13:00,899 --> 01:12:58,390
speaking of getting things off their

1703
01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:00,909
chest I'm gonna let Dave Marlar ask you

1704
01:13:04,410 --> 01:13:02,650
a question Dave do you have a question

1705
01:13:20,479 --> 01:13:04,420
you'd like to ask them about this film

1706
01:13:26,439 --> 01:13:23,439
the only things the only part of

1707
01:13:28,569 --> 01:13:26,449
it's section in the movie is yes we had

1708
01:13:31,660 --> 01:13:28,579
to blur his face out so that we could be

1709
01:13:44,339 --> 01:13:31,670
clear with all the filing cabinets

1710
01:13:50,439 --> 01:13:48,339
yeah but for the sake of you in the

1711
01:13:52,359 --> 01:13:50,449
audience just had a wonderful time

1712
01:13:55,060 --> 01:13:52,369
having James come out and spend a

1713
01:13:56,709 --> 01:13:55,070
weekend here and I was just happy and

1714
01:13:58,390 --> 01:13:56,719
gratified then we had a lot of

1715
01:14:00,509 --> 01:13:58,400
historical material here that he was

1716
01:14:02,830 --> 01:14:00,519
able to utilize for the for the

1717
01:14:04,479 --> 01:14:02,840
production and Lee had the chance to

1718
01:14:06,219 --> 01:14:04,489
review much of that as well and Lee and

1719
01:14:10,569 --> 01:14:06,229
I have talked about that as well yeah

1720
01:14:13,959 --> 01:14:10,579
but I'm really glad that you know James

1721
01:14:15,339 --> 01:14:13,969
and Lee have woven this fabric and I

1722
01:14:17,799 --> 01:14:15,349
think that's a good way to describe it

1723
01:14:20,739 --> 01:14:17,809
where they weave in these narratives

1724
01:14:27,160 --> 01:14:20,749
these cases this information and and I

1725
01:14:29,500 --> 01:14:27,170
you know literally bringing parts of

1726
01:14:30,899 --> 01:14:29,510
your archive to life if it's so

1727
01:14:33,580 --> 01:14:30,909
incredible

1728
01:14:35,949 --> 01:14:33,590
David marvelous archive is just I mean

1729
01:14:37,330 --> 01:14:35,959
it belongs in a museum but and

1730
01:14:39,699 --> 01:14:37,340
eventually it might end up in the museum

1731
01:14:42,100 --> 01:14:39,709
but I was so impressed at all the

1732
01:14:44,739 --> 01:14:42,110
original like newspaper headlines and

1733
01:14:46,509 --> 01:14:44,749
all the audio files that you have like

1734
01:14:47,500 --> 01:14:46,519
it's a treasure trove like all the

1735
01:14:59,500 --> 01:14:47,510
people that have been working on this

1736
01:15:05,319 --> 01:14:59,510
film with you going on top of that is

1737
01:15:07,089 --> 01:15:05,329
that we have offered to pay for that's

1738
01:15:09,790 --> 01:15:07,099
been going on for about six months to

1739
01:15:21,009 --> 01:15:09,800
digitize and transfer all of Koufos

1740
01:15:26,919 --> 01:15:21,019
material never-before-seen footage of

1741
01:15:29,140 --> 01:15:26,929
Hynek and just a number of incredible

1742
01:15:32,859 --> 01:15:29,150
interviews from the 40s and 50s and 60s

1743
01:15:34,209 --> 01:15:32,869
as well as I don't know we we could well

1744
01:15:37,129 --> 01:15:34,219
I don't know do we want to talk about

1745
01:15:40,390 --> 01:15:37,139
the United Nations stuff well I

1746
01:15:45,109 --> 01:15:40,400
like you know it's so close to my heart

1747
01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:45,119
because I I produced this what's been

1748
01:15:52,340 --> 01:15:48,690
called a milestone UFO presentation at

1749
01:15:56,570 --> 01:15:52,350
the United Nations in 1978 and for all

1750
01:15:58,760 --> 01:15:56,580
of these years I have been kind of

1751
01:16:02,419 --> 01:15:58,770
searching in the little nooks and

1752
01:16:04,430 --> 01:16:02,429
crannies and corners to find footage as

1753
01:16:07,550 --> 01:16:04,440
much footage as I could on the

1754
01:16:09,890 --> 01:16:07,560
presentation because we weren't I wasn't

1755
01:16:13,390 --> 01:16:09,900
given the footage as I was promised by

1756
01:16:16,399 --> 01:16:13,400
the country of Grenada back then and so

1757
01:16:18,950 --> 01:16:16,409
we've been looking and looking and and

1758
01:16:21,260 --> 01:16:18,960
all that I'm going to say is if I was

1759
01:16:26,770 --> 01:16:21,270
wearing a hat right now I would tip it

1760
01:16:29,359 --> 01:16:26,780
to a young lady named Kelly Fox Kelly is

1761
01:16:32,510 --> 01:16:29,369
James's sister she's been doing amazing

1762
01:16:35,300 --> 01:16:32,520
work going through archives and archive

1763
01:16:38,120 --> 01:16:35,310
organizations to find us things for this

1764
01:16:40,490 --> 01:16:38,130
documentary and a few months ago James

1765
01:16:43,790 --> 01:16:40,500
called me one day and said what have you

1766
01:16:45,140 --> 01:16:43,800
been looking for for like 40 years that

1767
01:16:46,970 --> 01:16:45,150
you've been frustrated and haven't been

1768
01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:46,980
able to find and to be able to share

1769
01:16:50,959 --> 01:16:49,290
with the world and I said I think I said

1770
01:16:54,530 --> 01:16:50,969
something like well I've already got a

1771
01:16:59,510 --> 01:16:54,540
beautiful woman so I was a good answer

1772
01:16:59,810 --> 01:16:59,520
yeah and I said okay don't don't tease

1773
01:17:04,250 --> 01:16:59,820
me

1774
01:17:09,439 --> 01:17:04,260
he said Kelly found all of United

1775
01:17:11,090 --> 01:17:09,449
Nations footage oh my goodness Wow I bet

1776
01:17:12,410 --> 01:17:11,100
you looked a little different too I saw

1777
01:17:19,030 --> 01:17:12,420
the pictures Oh

1778
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:19,040
oh my gosh I did I did like a somersault

1779
01:17:26,200 --> 01:17:22,650
because it took so much out of me to

1780
01:17:30,169 --> 01:17:26,210
actually see these people Alan Hynek

1781
01:17:32,140 --> 01:17:30,179
Jacques valeted army captain Larry coin

1782
01:17:35,570 --> 01:17:32,150
telling the United Nations about his

1783
01:17:39,169 --> 01:17:35,580
harrowing helicopter yeah experience in

1784
01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:39,179
1973 and I haven't seen any of this

1785
01:17:45,890 --> 01:17:42,570
footage in the last 40 years and now we

1786
01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:45,900
have a possibility of getting it that is

1787
01:17:48,290 --> 01:17:46,530
amazing

1788
01:17:50,390 --> 01:17:48,300
James like James I think you're getting

1789
01:17:55,850 --> 01:17:50,400
a little crosswind there did you

1790
01:17:58,700 --> 01:17:55,860
something you were saying Dave yeah yeah

1791
01:18:02,780 --> 01:17:58,710
that is better James let me ask you this

1792
01:18:06,740 --> 01:18:02,790
question what has since the you know the

1793
01:18:10,580 --> 01:18:06,750
pentagon story came out on December 16th

1794
01:18:12,860 --> 01:18:10,590
and I think things have changed quite a

1795
01:18:17,209 --> 01:18:12,870
bit since that time have you had to

1796
01:18:19,490 --> 01:18:17,219
adjust anything or change anything since

1797
01:18:22,340 --> 01:18:19,500
that has happened or have you taken any

1798
01:18:25,189 --> 01:18:22,350
new tax on what you're doing because of

1799
01:18:30,410 --> 01:18:25,199
that that article and people taking this

1800
01:18:34,370 --> 01:18:30,420
more seriously these days take a new tax

1801
01:18:40,729 --> 01:18:34,380
you mean like tic tacs we're talking

1802
01:18:42,430 --> 01:18:40,739
about the Nimitz earlier because I

1803
01:18:45,979 --> 01:18:42,440
remember when I put together a proposal

1804
01:18:47,810 --> 01:18:45,989
a financial toll for the third love the

1805
01:18:50,810 --> 01:18:47,820
third investors week we got it we got on

1806
01:18:53,090 --> 01:18:50,820
board and how do you account for

1807
01:18:57,830 --> 01:18:53,100
something you know without knowing that

1808
01:19:00,080 --> 01:18:57,840
and so I just said you know something's

1809
01:19:01,820 --> 01:19:00,090
gonna happen you know how you know

1810
01:19:03,620 --> 01:19:01,830
something's gonna happen hey well it

1811
01:19:05,810 --> 01:19:03,630
always does and when it does we'll

1812
01:19:07,370 --> 01:19:05,820
document it and I put a little extra

1813
01:19:08,870 --> 01:19:07,380
budget there for that and then lo and

1814
01:19:11,720 --> 01:19:08,880
behold to cover the New York Times happy

1815
01:19:13,220 --> 01:19:11,730
so yeah I predicted something would

1816
01:19:16,370 --> 01:19:13,230
happen but I didn't predict something

1817
01:19:20,180 --> 01:19:16,380
that good what happens here I mean right

1818
01:19:22,189 --> 01:19:20,190
right so with that happening you have

1819
01:19:26,260 --> 01:19:22,199
actually changed some things in the film

1820
01:19:30,250 --> 01:19:29,890
are you there yeah we yeah I'm right

1821
01:19:33,370 --> 01:19:30,260
here

1822
01:19:33,940 --> 01:19:33,380
yeah we yes we're covering that a bit

1823
01:19:35,320 --> 01:19:33,950
yeah

1824
01:19:39,670 --> 01:19:35,330
covering that event oh well that's

1825
01:19:41,830 --> 01:19:39,680
exciting yeah it's not gonna be you know

1826
01:19:44,470 --> 01:19:41,840
it'll probably be just a few minutes

1827
01:19:46,750 --> 01:19:44,480
towards the end but I think it'll open

1828
01:19:49,950 --> 01:19:46,760
up a window of government transparency

1829
01:19:52,870 --> 01:19:49,960
unlike unlike we've ever seen in America

1830
01:19:54,280 --> 01:19:52,880
yeah yeah yeah and and I you know you

1831
01:19:58,720 --> 01:19:54,290
might it might be that you might be

1832
01:20:02,050 --> 01:19:58,730
sensing that perhaps James and I are

1833
01:20:04,990 --> 01:20:02,060
just resisting a little bit telling you

1834
01:20:08,290 --> 01:20:05,000
much more yes you are and and normally

1835
01:20:10,630 --> 01:20:08,300
historically I'm the guy who stands up

1836
01:20:13,390 --> 01:20:10,640
on a soapbox and says I hate it when

1837
01:20:15,130 --> 01:20:13,400
people tease the public for claiming

1838
01:20:18,730 --> 01:20:15,140
that they've got this and that and no

1839
01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:18,740
it's my turn now yeah yeah and so I get

1840
01:20:24,990 --> 01:20:21,850
that but this is not the kind of tease

1841
01:20:28,120 --> 01:20:25,000
where like the other people you know

1842
01:20:30,940 --> 01:20:28,130
where they never produce a payoff and

1843
01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:30,950
there's the difference we're gonna give

1844
01:20:35,170 --> 01:20:31,850
you a payoff

1845
01:20:38,590 --> 01:20:35,180
and so we we're just keeping it as close

1846
01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:38,600
at hand as possible so that we can feel

1847
01:20:44,260 --> 01:20:41,930
free to finish this thing and then put

1848
01:20:47,110 --> 01:20:44,270
it out there too so everybody can see it

1849
01:20:49,390 --> 01:20:47,120
and then I'll sleep for a year and James

1850
01:20:51,990 --> 01:20:49,400
will be able to take care and and raise

1851
01:20:57,360 --> 01:20:52,000
his young son for the next five years

1852
01:21:01,720 --> 01:20:59,740
yeah no it's it's like we're not we're

1853
01:21:07,780 --> 01:21:01,730
not trying to deliberately keep it a

1854
01:21:10,630 --> 01:21:07,790
secret no we're not I will say this for

1855
01:21:14,410 --> 01:21:10,640
all the people out there who almost

1856
01:21:16,660 --> 01:21:14,420
daily say well disclosure it's right

1857
01:21:19,720 --> 01:21:16,670
around the corner I can taste it it's

1858
01:21:23,860 --> 01:21:19,730
happening the truth is going to no no no

1859
01:21:26,680 --> 01:21:23,870
folks take a deep breath everybody first

1860
01:21:29,230 --> 01:21:26,690
of all we I don't believe any of us here

1861
01:21:32,770 --> 01:21:29,240
on this show right now will actually be

1862
01:21:35,620 --> 01:21:32,780
alive long enough to hear or know the

1863
01:21:38,770 --> 01:21:35,630
ultimate truth about UFOs and as far as

1864
01:21:39,730 --> 01:21:38,780
disclosure hey folks if you do the

1865
01:21:41,320 --> 01:21:39,740
legwork

1866
01:21:44,260 --> 01:21:41,330
you've got to go up there and do some

1867
01:21:47,950 --> 01:21:44,270
research you will find disclosure has

1868
01:21:49,720 --> 01:21:47,960
been happening for a very long time you

1869
01:21:52,720 --> 01:21:49,730
just got to look for it and you'll find

1870
01:21:56,590 --> 01:21:52,730
it right right James up going back to

1871
01:21:59,260 --> 01:21:56,600
the topic of the Pentagon you know the

1872
01:22:01,000 --> 01:21:59,270
the New York Times story do you believe

1873
01:22:11,790 --> 01:22:01,010
that you'll be able to sell the film

1874
01:22:14,740 --> 01:22:11,800
easier because of that having sold all

1875
01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:14,750
three previous films within six weeks of

1876
01:22:21,310 --> 01:22:18,610
completion and looking at this film now

1877
01:22:22,720 --> 01:22:21,320
there's just no comparison with this

1878
01:22:25,240 --> 01:22:22,730
film and the other films that I've done

1879
01:22:26,980 --> 01:22:25,250
I've got a few people in the in the

1880
01:22:29,230 --> 01:22:26,990
industry that are just champion of the

1881
01:22:32,410 --> 01:22:29,240
bit to put this thing into the right

1882
01:22:34,930 --> 01:22:32,420
hands so I think that it's gonna make

1883
01:22:37,630 --> 01:22:34,940
the other cases that we're featuring in

1884
01:22:42,790 --> 01:22:37,640
this film that much more credible to

1885
01:22:44,140 --> 01:22:42,800
have you know this program come out and

1886
01:22:48,460 --> 01:22:44,150
the people that were behind the program

1887
01:22:50,260 --> 01:22:48,470
coming out validating the existence of

1888
01:22:52,660 --> 01:22:50,270
UFOs I think that's gonna be a

1889
01:22:54,490 --> 01:22:52,670
tremendous boon for the film no question

1890
01:22:57,850 --> 01:22:54,500
about it and certainly in the marketing

1891
01:23:00,400 --> 01:22:57,860
people are keen to know more at this

1892
01:23:03,070 --> 01:23:00,410
point so I'm very excited about that and

1893
01:23:05,080 --> 01:23:03,080
and I and like I said the handful of

1894
01:23:07,630 --> 01:23:05,090
people that I've had just had a couple

1895
01:23:09,910 --> 01:23:07,640
of friends that oh god this guy's doing

1896
01:23:11,950 --> 01:23:09,920
yeah I come over so I can all invited

1897
01:23:14,590 --> 01:23:11,960
people in roaming I'm telling you right

1898
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:14,600
now these people saw it before and they

1899
01:23:28,420 --> 01:23:16,010
just walked out of here in a trance like

1900
01:23:30,160 --> 01:23:28,430
oh my god believe ya now would you

1901
01:23:33,160 --> 01:23:30,170
consider the format basically a

1902
01:23:36,550 --> 01:23:33,170
documentary or would you is it kind of

1903
01:23:38,120 --> 01:23:36,560
like a mixture of of how you'd classify

1904
01:23:42,240 --> 01:23:38,130
it

1905
01:23:46,440 --> 01:23:42,250
well if any of you out there have seen I

1906
01:23:48,960 --> 01:23:46,450
know what I saw it's similar and in the

1907
01:23:51,960 --> 01:23:48,970
fact that it's got pretty solid cases

1908
01:23:55,220 --> 01:23:51,970
you know vetted cases from around the

1909
01:23:57,840 --> 01:23:55,230
world this is even more international

1910
01:24:00,420 --> 01:23:57,850
but it's a lot better shot a lot better

1911
01:24:04,850 --> 01:24:00,430
researched and and we're gonna do a much

1912
01:24:07,740 --> 01:24:04,860
better job with a narrative that will

1913
01:24:10,830 --> 01:24:07,750
fit these stories together in a

1914
01:24:12,300 --> 01:24:10,840
compelling and exciting way but but that

1915
01:24:14,490 --> 01:24:12,310
everything will serve everything will

1916
01:24:16,680 --> 01:24:14,500
have a purpose it won't just be banging

1917
01:24:19,530 --> 01:24:16,690
the view over the head case after case

1918
01:24:22,560 --> 01:24:19,540
after case do you don't mean right right

1919
01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:22,570
oh yes your question but do I feel like

1920
01:24:24,750 --> 01:24:23,890
that will help sell the film yeah

1921
01:24:26,220 --> 01:24:24,760
absolutely I do

1922
01:24:29,100 --> 01:24:26,230
but I feel like it would have it would

1923
01:24:32,550 --> 01:24:29,110
have it it will sell with or without

1924
01:24:41,370 --> 01:24:32,560
that I mean it's about the closest I've

1925
01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:41,380
seen to disclosure this it's it's gonna

1926
01:24:45,650 --> 01:24:43,930
be it's it's I can't see how it's not

1927
01:24:49,110 --> 01:24:45,660
gonna stir the pot but split that way

1928
01:24:53,850 --> 01:24:49,120
excellent well I had I had Selma acidic

1929
01:24:55,410 --> 01:24:53,860
from the aerial school incident on my

1930
01:24:59,040 --> 01:24:55,420
show and I'm telling you I had

1931
01:25:01,710 --> 01:24:59,050
goosebumps talking to her that's just to

1932
01:25:05,970 --> 01:25:01,720
me I'm glad that case is gonna be part

1933
01:25:10,140 --> 01:25:05,980
of it because that that just is such an

1934
01:25:13,050 --> 01:25:10,150
incredible case and the in what they saw

1935
01:25:14,340 --> 01:25:13,060
and everything that's just amazing so

1936
01:25:20,190 --> 01:25:14,350
I'm really I was really glad to hear

1937
01:25:23,130 --> 01:25:20,200
that was gonna be part of the film okay

1938
01:25:26,070 --> 01:25:23,140
oh I just wanted to add James that I

1939
01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:26,080
want to let Martin know that James and

1940
01:25:30,540 --> 01:25:27,850
Lee have shared some of the clips with

1941
01:25:33,270 --> 01:25:30,550
me both shot with myself but with others

1942
01:25:34,830 --> 01:25:33,280
and in discussing the material and Lee

1943
01:25:38,760 --> 01:25:34,840
and I have had many discussions on this

1944
01:25:41,790 --> 01:25:38,770
I just want to commend James and Lee for

1945
01:25:43,290 --> 01:25:41,800
their vetting process Martin you and I

1946
01:25:45,840 --> 01:25:43,300
have talked many times about this field

1947
01:25:48,600 --> 01:25:45,850
there is everything from credible to

1948
01:25:49,990 --> 01:25:48,610
crazy and all things in between and I

1949
01:25:52,990 --> 01:25:50,000
want to come in Lee

1950
01:25:55,240 --> 01:25:53,000
and James for their vetting process many

1951
01:25:57,070 --> 01:25:55,250
times you see productions or you hear a

1952
01:25:59,260 --> 01:25:57,080
lecture or you see this or that

1953
01:26:01,480 --> 01:25:59,270
presented in the UFO field and you say

1954
01:26:03,550 --> 01:26:01,490
you know what that's really good except

1955
01:26:05,770 --> 01:26:03,560
for the fact they included that person

1956
01:26:08,260 --> 01:26:05,780
or they include a fact case yeah and

1957
01:26:10,000 --> 01:26:08,270
just from what limited information

1958
01:26:11,800 --> 01:26:10,010
they've shared with me what I've seen

1959
01:26:13,480 --> 01:26:11,810
thus far and you know I have zero

1960
01:26:15,430 --> 01:26:13,490
tolerance for craziness in this field

1961
01:26:18,460 --> 01:26:15,440
there is no weak link

1962
01:26:21,400 --> 01:26:18,470
they have no weak link and they make a

1963
01:26:23,830 --> 01:26:21,410
compelling argument that I would tasks

1964
01:26:25,900 --> 01:26:23,840
any of the most ardent skeptics to watch

1965
01:26:27,430 --> 01:26:25,910
this documentary and come away and still

1966
01:26:30,160 --> 01:26:27,440
feel the same way that they did before

1967
01:26:32,230 --> 01:26:30,170
they came in to see it so I just want to

1968
01:26:35,950 --> 01:26:32,240
commend Lee and James for their work in

1969
01:26:38,440 --> 01:26:35,960
that regard this field is striving for

1970
01:26:40,570 --> 01:26:38,450
credibility and both James's previous

1971
01:26:43,570 --> 01:26:40,580
productions as well as this one hits the

1972
01:26:47,500 --> 01:26:43,580
mark and it hits the mark big-time right

1973
01:26:51,010 --> 01:26:47,510
well yeah thank you David and you know

1974
01:26:52,840 --> 01:26:51,020
what right back at ya well you're

1975
01:26:57,610 --> 01:26:52,850
handing out compliments I want to say

1976
01:27:02,080 --> 01:26:57,620
that David Marla is is like a walking

1977
01:27:04,030 --> 01:27:02,090
encyclopedia of UFOs it's not that he

1978
01:27:06,520 --> 01:27:04,040
it's not just that he has hundreds of

1979
01:27:08,680 --> 01:27:06,530
filing cabinets with folders in them

1980
01:27:10,690 --> 01:27:08,690
with papers and correspondence and

1981
01:27:12,850 --> 01:27:10,700
pictures you go up to this guy or you

1982
01:27:14,920 --> 01:27:12,860
call him if I can call if I call David

1983
01:27:18,840 --> 01:27:14,930
any day that we can say David listen

1984
01:27:22,030 --> 01:27:18,850
what do you know about 1973 pan-american

1985
01:27:24,340 --> 01:27:22,040
747 he'll suddenly stop me and he'll

1986
01:27:26,170 --> 01:27:24,350
just tell me the entire case the names

1987
01:27:36,490 --> 01:27:26,180
of the pilots the names of every

1988
01:27:39,820 --> 01:27:36,500
passenger on he is so he's so thorough

1989
01:27:41,500 --> 01:27:39,830
he's he is a walking encyclopedia I feel

1990
01:27:44,380 --> 01:27:41,510
like every time David either you've

1991
01:27:46,690 --> 01:27:44,390
received a new file or information as

1992
01:27:49,030 --> 01:27:46,700
you're thumbing through it I can hear

1993
01:27:51,820 --> 01:27:49,040
the clicking of like a camera in your

1994
01:27:54,220 --> 01:27:51,830
head click click click and it's going

1995
01:27:56,710 --> 01:27:54,230
into another filing cabinet of your mind

1996
01:28:00,040 --> 01:27:56,720
that's well that's how good he is well

1997
01:28:01,390 --> 01:28:00,050
thank you but I think James was witness

1998
01:28:02,950 --> 01:28:01,400
to that when he was here filming because

1999
01:28:03,880 --> 01:28:02,960
he was asking about this case in that

2000
01:28:05,890 --> 01:28:03,890
case and I'm literally

2001
01:28:09,100 --> 01:28:05,900
running around pulling files out of

2002
01:28:10,390 --> 01:28:09,110
various file cabinet drawers and as I

2003
01:28:12,040 --> 01:28:10,400
like to say it's great to have all this

2004
01:28:13,840 --> 01:28:12,050
information but it's not organized and

2005
01:28:16,210 --> 01:28:13,850
if you can't readily retrieve it there's

2006
01:28:18,430 --> 01:28:16,220
no point having it so thank you well it

2007
01:28:20,080 --> 01:28:18,440
was it was so funny because I've been

2008
01:28:23,610 --> 01:28:20,090
working with this other guy it was a

2009
01:28:26,200 --> 01:28:23,620
really good editor his name is Ben and

2010
01:28:28,980 --> 01:28:26,210
Ben will you know I'll put him on a

2011
01:28:45,460 --> 01:28:28,990
certain task and couple weeks ago this

2012
01:28:47,800 --> 01:28:45,470
guy gave it a very complex period that I

2013
01:28:51,460 --> 01:28:47,810
think leads nicely up to the socorro

2014
01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:51,470
into 64 but the budget things that build

2015
01:28:57,600 --> 01:28:55,610
to that so by the time you get to Sakura

2016
01:29:00,340 --> 01:28:57,610
New Mexico in 64 with with London zamora

2017
01:29:02,320 --> 01:29:00,350
that case just becomes that much more

2018
01:29:06,520 --> 01:29:02,330
palatable for I think mainstream because

2019
01:29:11,560 --> 01:29:06,530
we built our our case with these prior

2020
01:29:13,330 --> 01:29:11,570
it which I knew very little about and

2021
01:29:15,910 --> 01:29:13,340
I'm really glad that James recognized

2022
01:29:17,890 --> 01:29:15,920
that because I've lectured before on the

2023
01:29:20,550 --> 01:29:17,900
fact that there are these precedents for

2024
01:29:23,290 --> 01:29:20,560
socorro namely Levelland Texas

2025
01:29:25,060 --> 01:29:23,300
Alamogordo these other cases describing

2026
01:29:27,880 --> 01:29:25,070
essentially the same scenario that

2027
01:29:30,850 --> 01:29:27,890
played out and many of these involve law

2028
01:29:33,100 --> 01:29:30,860
enforcement and military in fact James I

2029
01:29:35,440 --> 01:29:33,110
believe will be including an actual

2030
01:29:37,090 --> 01:29:35,450
radio broadcast involving the public

2031
01:29:39,460 --> 01:29:37,100
information officer from White Sands

2032
01:29:41,710 --> 01:29:39,470
proving ground where he states that

2033
01:29:45,580 --> 01:29:41,720
military personnel witnessed the landing

2034
01:29:46,990 --> 01:29:45,590
of this UFO and the tape off of this UFO

2035
01:29:49,990 --> 01:29:47,000
I mean this is the actual public

2036
01:29:52,360 --> 01:29:50,000
information officer and two statements

2037
01:29:55,750 --> 01:29:52,370
made earlier he's able to marry those

2038
01:29:59,770 --> 01:29:55,760
radio vintage radio newscasts with the

2039
01:30:01,510 --> 01:29:59,780
newspaper papers yeah James sent me a

2040
01:30:03,430 --> 01:30:01,520
clip and I told James the response I

2041
01:30:06,250 --> 01:30:03,440
texted back I said you make this

2042
01:30:08,110 --> 01:30:06,260
material dance it just it just was

2043
01:30:10,150 --> 01:30:08,120
together so seamlessly and I know Lee

2044
01:30:12,850 --> 01:30:10,160
has been looking at some of those clips

2045
01:30:14,800 --> 01:30:12,860
as well and you know it's a testament to

2046
01:30:16,320 --> 01:30:14,810
James and his creativity that he's able

2047
01:30:18,300 --> 01:30:16,330
to marry

2048
01:30:20,640 --> 01:30:18,310
all of this material and make some sense

2049
01:30:26,510 --> 01:30:20,650
out of it because there's just so much

2050
01:30:29,160 --> 01:30:26,520
to sort through James are there some

2051
01:30:31,560 --> 01:30:29,170
that you're that might some of these

2052
01:30:34,410 --> 01:30:31,570
incidences and some of these takes that

2053
01:30:36,660 --> 01:30:34,420
may be cut out in the editing that

2054
01:30:38,190 --> 01:30:36,670
you're like on the fence about or do you

2055
01:30:43,350 --> 01:30:38,200
think you've captured everything that's

2056
01:30:45,000 --> 01:30:43,360
going to be in stay in the film I think

2057
01:30:54,930 --> 01:30:45,010
it's gonna be have to be a seven hour

2058
01:30:56,910 --> 01:30:54,940
Odyssey yeah yeah now we already have

2059
01:30:59,970 --> 01:30:56,920
enough for more than a two hour

2060
01:31:01,650 --> 01:30:59,980
presentation at this point I said to me

2061
01:31:04,230 --> 01:31:01,660
I said this film has got to do really

2062
01:31:06,740 --> 01:31:04,240
well Lee because you and I have got we

2063
01:31:11,040 --> 01:31:06,750
ought to make a film on just Socorro

2064
01:31:15,930 --> 01:31:11,050
just Australia just South America just

2065
01:31:18,870 --> 01:31:15,940
China just Rua I mean each one of these

2066
01:31:21,480 --> 01:31:18,880
cases has so much depth and complexity

2067
01:31:23,700 --> 01:31:21,490
and you know it's like where do you you

2068
01:31:25,890 --> 01:31:23,710
know yet to be very selective but I but

2069
01:31:28,170 --> 01:31:25,900
I did say you know Sicily we should we

2070
01:31:30,390 --> 01:31:28,180
should seriously consider doing like an

2071
01:31:32,820 --> 01:31:30,400
eight eight part series on the full hour

2072
01:31:36,390 --> 01:31:32,830
on each one of these cases oh no the

2073
01:31:39,540 --> 01:31:36,400
materials there yeah it's it's it's

2074
01:31:42,540 --> 01:31:39,550
amazing and and you know James is one of

2075
01:31:46,530 --> 01:31:42,550
the few people in America who was

2076
01:31:51,690 --> 01:31:46,540
invited recently to go to China and and

2077
01:31:55,890 --> 01:31:51,700
to to film amazing interviews and get to

2078
01:31:58,940 --> 01:31:55,900
get footage of UFO activity in China and

2079
01:32:03,150 --> 01:31:58,950
and our technical adviser on the film

2080
01:32:06,330 --> 01:32:03,160
who is jacques of LA was very anxious

2081
01:32:07,890 --> 01:32:06,340
for James to go to China because Jacques

2082
01:32:09,990 --> 01:32:07,900
would say to us we don't really know

2083
01:32:13,230 --> 01:32:10,000
anything of what's going on coming out

2084
01:32:15,360 --> 01:32:13,240
of China and James went out there with

2085
01:32:16,590 --> 01:32:15,370
his sister Kelly and and it's cameraman

2086
01:32:18,450 --> 01:32:16,600
David they were out there for a little

2087
01:32:22,290 --> 01:32:18,460
over two weeks and came back with

2088
01:32:24,120 --> 01:32:22,300
amazing stuff and and and stuff that no

2089
01:32:25,770 --> 01:32:24,130
one has seen before

2090
01:32:28,649 --> 01:32:25,780
and you know just getting through the

2091
01:32:31,379 --> 01:32:28,659
translation process is also a challenge

2092
01:32:32,820 --> 01:32:31,389
Wow yeah no ending is always hard but

2093
01:32:37,830 --> 01:32:32,830
then you gotta edit in Chinese like

2094
01:32:41,280 --> 01:32:37,840
really Wow amazing you know but no it's

2095
01:32:43,169 --> 01:32:41,290
go ahead I was just gonna say it's just

2096
01:32:45,180 --> 01:32:43,179
you know we got to China I knew very

2097
01:32:46,919 --> 01:32:45,190
little to nothing I mean I saw a few

2098
01:32:48,750 --> 01:32:46,929
things on the Internet in last 5 10

2099
01:32:50,340 --> 01:32:48,760
years but for the most part I knew

2100
01:32:52,550 --> 01:32:50,350
nothing about UFOs in China there was

2101
01:32:55,860 --> 01:32:52,560
then I found out there was this amazing

2102
01:33:00,930 --> 01:32:55,870
landing case just like Rua the world as

2103
01:33:04,020 --> 01:33:00,940
many witnesses moon Jaguar 1994 same

2104
01:33:07,680 --> 01:33:04,030
year in Africa 1995 landing case in

2105
01:33:10,709 --> 01:33:07,690
China everyone in the the Chinese you

2106
01:33:12,840 --> 01:33:10,719
UFO the organization the UFO

2107
01:33:15,180 --> 01:33:12,850
organization that we connected with was

2108
01:33:16,979 --> 01:33:15,190
officially recognized and registered

2109
01:33:19,290 --> 01:33:16,989
with the Chinese government which is

2110
01:33:23,129 --> 01:33:19,300
sort of a tacit way of them saying you

2111
01:33:26,370 --> 01:33:23,139
know we we support this research they

2112
01:33:29,580 --> 01:33:26,380
had a monument that must have cost over

2113
01:33:31,919 --> 01:33:29,590
10 million dollars stunningly beautiful

2114
01:33:32,790 --> 01:33:31,929
monument of a flying saucer overlooking

2115
01:33:35,399 --> 01:33:32,800
this whole city

2116
01:33:37,290 --> 01:33:35,409
yeah not just a rinky-dink little this

2117
01:33:40,470 --> 01:33:37,300
is a substantial thing you can climb up

2118
01:33:43,350 --> 01:33:40,480
into and spiral staircases and I mean

2119
01:33:44,939 --> 01:33:43,360
it's stunningly beautiful like you know

2120
01:33:47,280 --> 01:33:44,949
who would have thought you know what I

2121
01:33:49,200 --> 01:33:47,290
mean Wow witnesses all over anyway so

2122
01:33:51,899 --> 01:33:49,210
that was really nice we conducted an

2123
01:33:54,180 --> 01:33:51,909
interview on the Great Wall of China how

2124
01:33:56,760 --> 01:33:54,190
cool is that isn't that amazing

2125
01:33:58,470 --> 01:33:56,770
yeah it's beautiful and all beautifully

2126
01:34:00,450 --> 01:33:58,480
shot it's gonna be so exciting I flew my

2127
01:34:02,610 --> 01:34:00,460
drone in China we actually went around

2128
01:34:03,990 --> 01:34:02,620
with a Chinese general because you can't

2129
01:34:08,490 --> 01:34:04,000
fly a drone and China man you have to

2130
01:34:10,560 --> 01:34:08,500
get a permit you go to jail with no joke

2131
01:34:10,830 --> 01:34:10,570
that people said me no no no no you are

2132
01:34:12,870 --> 01:34:10,840
not

2133
01:34:15,030 --> 01:34:12,880
don't even think about it like

2134
01:34:17,490 --> 01:34:15,040
especially in Beijing but but we had a

2135
01:34:19,020 --> 01:34:17,500
general with us and he literally was

2136
01:34:23,310 --> 01:34:19,030
like you've got my thought you go ahead

2137
01:34:25,229 --> 01:34:23,320
and fly that they go like ok I got all

2138
01:34:27,479 --> 01:34:25,239
this great footage in China with my

2139
01:34:29,910 --> 01:34:27,489
drone so that's all gonna be included in

2140
01:34:32,640 --> 01:34:29,920
the film as well so wow it's very

2141
01:34:34,530 --> 01:34:32,650
international you guys you know South

2142
01:34:37,280 --> 01:34:34,540
America and Australia and China and

2143
01:34:41,010 --> 01:34:37,290
Africa and

2144
01:34:43,800 --> 01:34:41,020
yeah speaking of Australia James that's

2145
01:34:46,980 --> 01:34:43,810
a I find that a country with only 26

2146
01:34:50,250 --> 01:34:46,990
million people that they are the third

2147
01:34:53,130 --> 01:34:50,260
most you know the largest audience that

2148
01:34:56,310 --> 01:34:53,140
I have for this show is there a lot

2149
01:34:59,700 --> 01:34:56,320
going on there that you're aware of in

2150
01:35:05,070 --> 01:34:59,710
Australia well Jaya what's fascinating

2151
01:35:08,010 --> 01:35:05,080
was that there was a landing case that

2152
01:35:10,860 --> 01:35:08,020
happened in 1966 in fact it was in April

2153
01:35:13,200 --> 01:35:10,870
I think April 4th 1966 April 4th of

2154
01:35:14,640 --> 01:35:13,210
April zip but it was right after we had

2155
01:35:17,790 --> 01:35:14,650
the congressional hearings in the United

2156
01:35:20,460 --> 01:35:17,800
States right symposium I mean literally

2157
01:35:23,280 --> 01:35:20,470
like I'm trying to do the math but it's

2158
01:35:25,860 --> 01:35:23,290
like 15 or 16 hours after that event

2159
01:35:28,500 --> 01:35:25,870
happened national at the in Washington

2160
01:35:32,160 --> 01:35:28,510
DC there's a landing in West Hall which

2161
01:35:34,710 --> 01:35:32,170
is just outside of Melbourne a suburb of

2162
01:35:37,260 --> 01:35:34,720
Melbourne out west all primary school

2163
01:35:42,330 --> 01:35:37,270
which is I think ages up to 13 14 years

2164
01:35:44,670 --> 01:35:42,340
old and there were roughly 250 250

2165
01:35:47,250 --> 01:35:44,680
schoolchildren in broad daylight that

2166
01:35:49,890 --> 01:35:47,260
watched a flying saucer and maybe more

2167
01:35:51,540 --> 01:35:49,900
than one flying saucer whizzed around in

2168
01:35:56,130 --> 01:35:51,550
the sky above the school then go down

2169
01:36:01,020 --> 01:35:56,140
find some trees and land right and it's

2170
01:36:04,140 --> 01:36:01,030
like in a case I said what a case that

2171
01:36:05,580 --> 01:36:04,150
is yes what an amazing case you know we

2172
01:36:07,380 --> 01:36:05,590
went and met up with a lot of a lot of

2173
01:36:08,760 --> 01:36:07,390
the witnesses we met with the with some

2174
01:36:11,250 --> 01:36:08,770
of the witnesses the jump the school

2175
01:36:14,190 --> 01:36:11,260
fence during you know recess time and

2176
01:36:15,600 --> 01:36:14,200
ran over to where this thing was landed

2177
01:36:17,310 --> 01:36:15,610
and saw it sitting on the ground and

2178
01:36:21,540 --> 01:36:17,320
came within 10 feet of it or 8 feet of

2179
01:36:24,750 --> 01:36:21,550
it I mean it's just remarkable stuff you

2180
01:36:26,580 --> 01:36:24,760
know quite similar in many respects is

2181
01:36:30,750 --> 01:36:26,590
the case that happened in Roos and Bob

2182
01:36:32,550 --> 01:36:30,760
way in 94 but we only had one account of

2183
01:36:36,210 --> 01:36:32,560
potentially something that was seen but

2184
01:36:38,070 --> 01:36:36,220
that we came in kind of late see III for

2185
01:36:39,810 --> 01:36:38,080
the most part as far as we know it's not

2186
01:36:42,750 --> 01:36:39,820
it was just a close encounter of the

2187
01:36:44,940 --> 01:36:42,760
second kind but it did land now there

2188
01:36:47,610 --> 01:36:44,950
was a there was a rumor that a teacher

2189
01:36:50,790 --> 01:36:47,620
had taken some pictures and the camera

2190
01:36:52,920 --> 01:36:50,800
was confiscated is that

2191
01:36:57,620 --> 01:36:52,930
that's did you find out - children both

2192
01:36:59,820 --> 01:36:57,630
oh yeah they even mentioned her name I

2193
01:37:02,280 --> 01:36:59,830
didn't include it in the in the cut

2194
01:37:04,170 --> 01:37:02,290
because you know it's just a rumor but

2195
01:37:06,180 --> 01:37:04,180
the student said yeah missus bah blah

2196
01:37:07,650 --> 01:37:06,190
blah grab the camera and ran out and

2197
01:37:09,390 --> 01:37:07,660
snapped off some pictures but the

2198
01:37:13,100 --> 01:37:09,400
military arrived at the school moments

2199
01:37:18,300 --> 01:37:13,110
after and cordoned off the landing area

2200
01:37:20,760 --> 01:37:18,310
told the media to go to stop filming so

2201
01:37:22,410 --> 01:37:20,770
they told the principal to tell the

2202
01:37:24,090 --> 01:37:22,420
students not to talk about it as if it

2203
01:37:27,150 --> 01:37:24,100
never happened they're all threatened

2204
01:37:29,550 --> 01:37:27,160
the teacher who was a witness I hadn't

2205
01:37:31,020 --> 01:37:29,560
spoke in 50 years and we we managed to

2206
01:37:34,290 --> 01:37:31,030
get a meet have a meeting with him and

2207
01:37:36,120 --> 01:37:34,300
then he went on the record and told us

2208
01:37:40,080 --> 01:37:36,130
why he didn't talk to the last 50 years

2209
01:37:42,660 --> 01:37:40,090
this is incredible incredible stuff just

2210
01:37:44,880 --> 01:37:42,670
one piece of the puzzle you know yeah

2211
01:37:47,970 --> 01:37:44,890
yeah it's one of the one of the great

2212
01:37:51,390 --> 01:37:47,980
ones so I did speak to Shane down there

2213
01:37:56,550 --> 01:37:51,400
about that case just can't recall his

2214
01:37:59,430 --> 01:37:56,560
last name but Ryan that's him yes nice

2215
01:38:01,500 --> 01:37:59,440
guy yeah yeah oh my god those guys were

2216
01:38:05,580 --> 01:38:01,510
so helpful I could never have done any

2217
01:38:09,540 --> 01:38:05,590
of it without them yeah and why am i

2218
01:38:11,820 --> 01:38:09,550
James Rigney Shane Ryan and then a lot

2219
01:38:14,940 --> 01:38:11,830
of a lot of the witnesses yeah it was it

2220
01:38:17,340 --> 01:38:14,950
was a wonderful wonderful trip getting

2221
01:38:25,140 --> 01:38:17,350
back tonight and I and I and I I ate a

2222
01:38:26,370 --> 01:38:25,150
Vegemite sandwich - sorry but I just

2223
01:38:28,980 --> 01:38:26,380
thought that was part of a segment I

2224
01:38:34,250 --> 01:38:28,990
didn't know that really existed yeah no

2225
01:38:37,710 --> 01:38:34,260
I did you might yeah how about that

2226
01:38:40,650 --> 01:38:37,720
getting back to China because I know

2227
01:38:43,290 --> 01:38:40,660
myself I know so little about what is

2228
01:38:45,330 --> 01:38:43,300
going on I was in touch with a professor

2229
01:38:47,220 --> 01:38:45,340
over there that was trying to fill me

2230
01:38:50,130 --> 01:38:47,230
into some interesting on some

2231
01:38:52,770 --> 01:38:50,140
interesting cases but but you never hear

2232
01:38:55,200 --> 01:38:52,780
about anything in general it sounds like

2233
01:38:58,410 --> 01:38:55,210
they're they take the UFO topic on a

2234
01:39:00,420 --> 01:38:58,420
serious note and I'm kind of surprised

2235
01:39:02,640 --> 01:39:00,430
at that do you think that's nationally

2236
01:39:03,750 --> 01:39:02,650
or do you think that's just regionally

2237
01:39:07,279 --> 01:39:03,760
you said you were in Beijing

2238
01:39:13,109 --> 01:39:07,289
do you think it's for the most part

2239
01:39:15,720 --> 01:39:13,119
regional or what no well you know it's

2240
01:39:19,100 --> 01:39:15,730
it's difficult communicating when I when

2241
01:39:22,109 --> 01:39:19,110
I was there there were lots of you know

2242
01:39:25,049 --> 01:39:22,119
one of the social media platforms were

2243
01:39:27,600 --> 01:39:25,059
not available in China so that could be

2244
01:39:30,509 --> 01:39:27,610
one reason and things are changing now

2245
01:39:32,430 --> 01:39:30,519
but but you know I couldn't check emails

2246
01:39:35,149 --> 01:39:32,440
and no Google no Google searches no

2247
01:39:37,470 --> 01:39:35,159
Facebook no you know none of those

2248
01:39:39,930 --> 01:39:37,480
normal social media platforms that we

2249
01:39:44,640 --> 01:39:39,940
utilize everywhere else and so that

2250
01:39:47,339 --> 01:39:44,650
certainly could be one thing but I mean

2251
01:39:48,810 --> 01:39:47,349
we flew all across China lots of

2252
01:39:52,890 --> 01:39:48,820
different areas of China we took trains

2253
01:39:56,490 --> 01:39:52,900
and planes and and I was amazed at how

2254
01:39:58,589 --> 01:39:56,500
prolific the UFO organization was and

2255
01:40:00,390 --> 01:39:58,599
how widespread it was and meeting all

2256
01:40:02,250 --> 01:40:00,400
the meeting witnesses in different parts

2257
01:40:04,470 --> 01:40:02,260
of the country and their willingness to

2258
01:40:07,770 --> 01:40:04,480
help talk openly about it and it didn't

2259
01:40:10,919 --> 01:40:07,780
seem to be any at all any effort from

2260
01:40:12,240 --> 01:40:10,929
the government to any of that down in

2261
01:40:16,859 --> 01:40:12,250
fact when I was telling you earlier that

2262
01:40:19,109 --> 01:40:16,869
the organization that that that I would

2263
01:40:21,450 --> 01:40:19,119
say sponsor doesn't open their doors for

2264
01:40:23,640 --> 01:40:21,460
us was officially recognized by the

2265
01:40:25,169 --> 01:40:23,650
Chinese government and so that because

2266
01:40:26,970 --> 01:40:25,179
when I asked the question like well does

2267
01:40:30,540 --> 01:40:26,980
the government deny and they said they

2268
01:40:34,200 --> 01:40:30,550
said the government doesn't doesn't deny

2269
01:40:37,470 --> 01:40:34,210
but doesn't really confirm either but

2270
01:40:40,439 --> 01:40:37,480
the fact that they put a legitimate

2271
01:40:42,720 --> 01:40:40,449
stamp on our of recognition on our

2272
01:40:45,750 --> 01:40:42,730
organization that sort of attached it

2273
01:40:49,709 --> 01:40:45,760
yes you know we we support this this

2274
01:40:52,080 --> 01:40:49,719
nature this research and I also want to

2275
01:40:54,990 --> 01:40:52,090
say that maybe some of you or all of you

2276
01:40:56,549 --> 01:40:55,000
remember just a few years ago I wrote

2277
01:41:01,609 --> 01:40:56,559
some stories for the Huffington Post

2278
01:41:04,500 --> 01:41:01,619
about there were sightings in China of

2279
01:41:06,959 --> 01:41:04,510
strange objects that caused a couple of

2280
01:41:10,199 --> 01:41:06,969
airports to shut down

2281
01:41:12,689 --> 01:41:10,209
and you remember that I remember when

2282
01:41:15,239 --> 01:41:12,699
you wrote that yes and and and it wasn't

2283
01:41:16,859 --> 01:41:15,249
just one airport they there were some

2284
01:41:19,229 --> 01:41:16,869
regional airports where something was

2285
01:41:21,719 --> 01:41:19,239
seen over like the end of one runway and

2286
01:41:24,359 --> 01:41:21,729
they actually stopped air traffic for a

2287
01:41:28,529 --> 01:41:24,369
while until there was no object there

2288
01:41:30,479 --> 01:41:28,539
and the stories came out could have been

2289
01:41:32,699 --> 01:41:30,489
like you know the re-entry of her of a

2290
01:41:34,439 --> 01:41:32,709
rocket into the atmosphere and and this

2291
01:41:37,439 --> 01:41:34,449
stuff was all over the news and so we

2292
01:41:40,709 --> 01:41:37,449
had we had plenty of footage to show in

2293
01:41:42,989 --> 01:41:40,719
in in articles and on the the six

2294
01:41:43,469 --> 01:41:42,999
o'clock news but for a short period of

2295
01:41:47,489 --> 01:41:43,479
time

2296
01:41:50,250 --> 01:41:47,499
China UFOs were in the news and nobody

2297
01:41:54,029 --> 01:41:50,260
seemed to be laughing about it is what I

2298
01:41:56,069 --> 01:41:54,039
noticed at the time I think I think we

2299
01:42:00,479 --> 01:41:56,079
are in an era that there's going to be

2300
01:42:01,589 --> 01:42:00,489
less laughing at it yeah at least I hope

2301
01:42:10,830 --> 01:42:01,599
so

2302
01:42:14,189 --> 01:42:10,840
to you know what happened with the New

2303
01:42:16,589 --> 01:42:14,199
York Times article coming out and and of

2304
01:42:19,680 --> 01:42:16,599
course that that roots from you know Tom

2305
01:42:21,120 --> 01:42:19,690
DeLonge a lot of people you know don't

2306
01:42:23,549 --> 01:42:21,130
want to hear that or don't want to talk

2307
01:42:25,919 --> 01:42:23,559
about it but he he actually did some

2308
01:42:27,660 --> 01:42:25,929
groundwork that made that happen you

2309
01:42:31,979 --> 01:42:27,670
know we have to we have to acknowledge

2310
01:42:34,709 --> 01:42:31,989
that Lee I know you had a you and I were

2311
01:42:36,449 --> 01:42:34,719
talking about that a while ago like not

2312
01:42:38,430 --> 01:42:36,459
much seems to be happening I don't know

2313
01:42:41,459 --> 01:42:38,440
if you want to talk about any that or

2314
01:42:43,739 --> 01:42:41,469
well I mean I'm not on the inside of

2315
01:42:48,660 --> 01:42:43,749
that whole group the to the Stars

2316
01:42:52,020 --> 01:42:48,670
Academy I like many other interested

2317
01:42:54,449 --> 01:42:52,030
citizens I've been waiting for this

2318
01:42:57,180 --> 01:42:54,459
group to come out with with something

2319
01:42:59,370 --> 01:42:57,190
some kind of a payoff more information

2320
01:43:02,100 --> 01:42:59,380
give us some guidelines what else have

2321
01:43:04,529 --> 01:43:02,110
you discovered is the Pentagon really

2322
01:43:07,259 --> 01:43:04,539
going to release more more footage of

2323
01:43:09,419 --> 01:43:07,269
things but it seems to be almost like

2324
01:43:10,199 --> 01:43:09,429
we're at they we're in the calm before

2325
01:43:13,739 --> 01:43:10,209
the storm

2326
01:43:17,669 --> 01:43:13,749
I'm waiting as I've spent so many years

2327
01:43:19,570 --> 01:43:17,679
waiting for follow-up information and

2328
01:43:22,240 --> 01:43:19,580
and in

2329
01:43:24,970 --> 01:43:22,250
pass historically it's turned out that

2330
01:43:27,340 --> 01:43:24,980
there hasn't been follow-up information

2331
01:43:29,470 --> 01:43:27,350
I hope that's not the case with DeLong's

2332
01:43:32,110 --> 01:43:29,480
group it's a very interesting group of

2333
01:43:35,890 --> 01:43:32,120
people of a former military and an

2334
01:43:38,350 --> 01:43:35,900
intelligence organization people and I

2335
01:43:41,050 --> 01:43:38,360
would really like to see something I

2336
01:43:43,230 --> 01:43:41,060
don't feel like I don't feel like James

2337
01:43:47,410 --> 01:43:43,240
and I are in any kind of competition

2338
01:43:49,210 --> 01:43:47,420
with with people like that I want all of

2339
01:43:52,150 --> 01:43:49,220
this information whatever the

2340
01:43:54,990 --> 01:43:52,160
information is going to be to come out

2341
01:43:59,320 --> 01:43:55,000
or at least as much of the information

2342
01:44:02,380 --> 01:43:59,330
that we can handle and that's another

2343
01:44:06,010 --> 01:44:02,390
factor in this whole disclosure how much

2344
01:44:10,830 --> 01:44:06,020
of the truth the so-called truth can the

2345
01:44:13,570 --> 01:44:10,840
citizens of this planet really handled

2346
01:44:16,090 --> 01:44:13,580
real quick yeah we back some of these

2347
01:44:17,710 --> 01:44:16,100
statements yeah there's there's been a

2348
01:44:20,650 --> 01:44:17,720
lot of dialogue on the internet with

2349
01:44:24,370 --> 01:44:20,660
regard to the Pentagon I talked about

2350
01:44:26,380 --> 01:44:24,380
this but one of the things I think it's

2351
01:44:29,650 --> 01:44:26,390
lost in the discussion people get mired

2352
01:44:31,270 --> 01:44:29,660
in the details like well the f-18 you

2353
01:44:33,430 --> 01:44:31,280
know it was at this location but the

2354
01:44:36,730 --> 01:44:33,440
audio doesn't correlate with that yeah

2355
01:44:38,980 --> 01:44:36,740
people get hurt down yes yeah we get

2356
01:44:40,360 --> 01:44:38,990
bogged down in the details I'm kind of a

2357
01:44:41,830 --> 01:44:40,370
big picture kind of guy that's how I

2358
01:44:43,450 --> 01:44:41,840
always kind of talk about myself with

2359
01:44:45,280 --> 01:44:43,460
regard to the UFO subject I'm looking

2360
01:44:48,070 --> 01:44:45,290
for patterns in the data I also like

2361
01:44:50,290 --> 01:44:48,080
asking certain hardening questions let's

2362
01:44:52,060 --> 01:44:50,300
just put all the details off to the side

2363
01:44:54,610 --> 01:44:52,070
for a moment the one question I don't

2364
01:45:00,010 --> 01:44:54,620
often hear asked by UFO researchers is

2365
01:45:01,900 --> 01:45:00,020
why now we have decades-long denial of

2366
01:45:03,130 --> 01:45:01,910
this subject there's nothing to this

2367
01:45:06,160 --> 01:45:03,140
subject it's not a threat to national

2368
01:45:07,960 --> 01:45:06,170
security the Air Force the project

2369
01:45:09,400 --> 01:45:07,970
Bluebook had their party line right

2370
01:45:11,590 --> 01:45:09,410
there's nothing to this we're

2371
01:45:14,020 --> 01:45:11,600
investigating it we found nothing that

2372
01:45:16,320 --> 01:45:14,030
indicates technological advancement or

2373
01:45:19,420 --> 01:45:16,330
technology beyond our state-of-the-art

2374
01:45:21,490 --> 01:45:19,430
and not just the United States all world

2375
01:45:23,620 --> 01:45:21,500
governments all world military have

2376
01:45:25,330 --> 01:45:23,630
consistently denied that there's

2377
01:45:26,710 --> 01:45:25,340
anything to this yet they continue to

2378
01:45:28,330 --> 01:45:26,720
investigate it which is an interesting

2379
01:45:30,730 --> 01:45:28,340
contradiction that's right that's for

2380
01:45:33,020 --> 01:45:30,740
another discussion but my question is

2381
01:45:36,049 --> 01:45:33,030
with military within

2382
01:45:39,740 --> 01:45:36,059
elegance with politics you always have

2383
01:45:41,689 --> 01:45:39,750
to question the timing no spam for you

2384
01:45:44,359 --> 01:45:41,699
don't stand oh we've been asked that

2385
01:45:46,819 --> 01:45:44,369
question yeah well and that doesn't

2386
01:45:48,740 --> 01:45:46,829
surprise me because of course since he's

2387
01:45:51,529 --> 01:45:48,750
asking insightful questions I love Stan

2388
01:45:53,209 --> 01:45:51,539
but you know I don't think we asked it

2389
01:45:56,240 --> 01:45:53,219
enough though we get mired in the

2390
01:45:58,790 --> 01:45:56,250
details why are they releasing this now

2391
01:46:00,919 --> 01:45:58,800
that is the fun event and you can say

2392
01:46:02,510 --> 01:46:00,929
Tom DeLonge was instrumental in that but

2393
01:46:04,370 --> 01:46:02,520
just because he wanted it doesn't mean

2394
01:46:05,959 --> 01:46:04,380
they had to release it I'm gonna break

2395
01:46:07,819 --> 01:46:05,969
it they could have sat on this material

2396
01:46:10,010 --> 01:46:07,829
for decades and we wouldn't have known

2397
01:46:12,859 --> 01:46:10,020
about it so I think we have to ask the

2398
01:46:15,410 --> 01:46:12,869
fundamental question to what end - what

2399
01:46:16,700 --> 01:46:15,420
agenda does it serve them because let's

2400
01:46:18,560 --> 01:46:16,710
be honest any military or government

2401
01:46:20,629 --> 01:46:18,570
they only do things to serve their best

2402
01:46:22,910 --> 01:46:20,639
interests typically why are they

2403
01:46:24,319 --> 01:46:22,920
releasing this information now and I

2404
01:46:26,000 --> 01:46:24,329
don't have the answer but I think we

2405
01:46:28,370 --> 01:46:26,010
need to start asking that question more

2406
01:46:31,160 --> 01:46:28,380
within these UFO discussions and forums

2407
01:46:36,109 --> 01:46:31,170
I think that's an excellent question do

2408
01:46:38,390 --> 01:46:36,119
any of you have a point on that I was

2409
01:46:42,109 --> 01:46:38,400
gonna say that one possible reason for

2410
01:46:45,169 --> 01:46:42,119
why now is is maybe this is a good point

2411
01:46:47,629 --> 01:46:45,179
in terms of history where the government

2412
01:46:50,600 --> 01:46:47,639
just our government is kind of testing

2413
01:46:52,250 --> 01:46:50,610
the waters with his citizens let's let's

2414
01:46:54,049 --> 01:46:52,260
kind of release a little bit of

2415
01:46:56,600 --> 01:46:54,059
information and see how the public

2416
01:46:59,899 --> 01:46:56,610
reacts let's see how the media reacts

2417
01:47:01,760 --> 01:46:59,909
will the media continue to drop any UFO

2418
01:47:02,870 --> 01:47:01,770
stories all the way at the bottom of the

2419
01:47:04,970 --> 01:47:02,880
11 o'clock news

2420
01:47:07,850 --> 01:47:04,980
you know F after the weather and sports

2421
01:47:10,760 --> 01:47:07,860
well that that whole September the whole

2422
01:47:14,029 --> 01:47:10,770
December Pentagon story was raised a lot

2423
01:47:16,609 --> 01:47:14,039
higher up than the sports and and the

2424
01:47:19,910 --> 01:47:16,619
weather and that was an interesting test

2425
01:47:22,879 --> 01:47:19,920
I thought that that a lot of meteor was

2426
01:47:27,160 --> 01:47:22,889
was paying attention James Fox was one

2427
01:47:29,990 --> 01:47:27,170
of several really interesting media

2428
01:47:33,859 --> 01:47:30,000
personalities who went on places like

2429
01:47:38,660 --> 01:47:33,869
CNBC CNN James did a great interview on

2430
01:47:40,729 --> 01:47:38,670
C on CNN and I I think James was out on

2431
01:47:42,140 --> 01:47:40,739
that interview where when they asked you

2432
01:47:43,549 --> 01:47:42,150
where you thought some of these things

2433
01:47:44,540 --> 01:47:43,559
were coming from them and I know you

2434
01:47:46,069 --> 01:47:44,550
don't like to actually say

2435
01:47:47,030 --> 01:47:46,079
extraterrestrials but at one point

2436
01:47:48,770 --> 01:47:47,040
during the interview

2437
01:47:51,110 --> 01:47:48,780
you said well sometimes your your only

2438
01:47:53,630 --> 01:47:51,120
kind of left with this possibility yeah

2439
01:48:04,250 --> 01:47:53,640
yeah right he's pointing up for those of

2440
01:48:06,290 --> 01:48:04,260
you because I remember sitting in a room

2441
01:48:09,670 --> 01:48:06,300
with a government official pretty

2442
01:48:12,080 --> 01:48:09,680
high-level government official you know

2443
01:48:13,190 --> 01:48:12,090
the government should just come out and

2444
01:48:15,560 --> 01:48:13,200
they should just do this and they should

2445
01:48:16,250 --> 01:48:15,570
do that wait a minute I said you are the

2446
01:48:20,210 --> 01:48:16,260
government

2447
01:48:24,560 --> 01:48:20,220
talking about who are you talking about

2448
01:48:27,200 --> 01:48:24,570
is it well you know residents are kind

2449
01:48:28,760 --> 01:48:27,210
of kept as a loop and I guess what I'm

2450
01:48:30,740 --> 01:48:28,770
referring to is the intelligence

2451
01:48:32,210 --> 01:48:30,750
agencies so the apparently one of the

2452
01:48:34,490 --> 01:48:32,220
things I'm gonna call ways sort of

2453
01:48:37,040 --> 01:48:34,500
suspected this but the intelligence

2454
01:48:39,440 --> 01:48:37,050
agencies can decide on what's release

2455
01:48:40,610 --> 01:48:39,450
and what's not release so even if the

2456
01:48:41,870 --> 01:48:40,620
president tries to get something

2457
01:48:43,370 --> 01:48:41,880
released doesn't necessarily mean that

2458
01:48:47,870 --> 01:48:43,380
he's gonna have access to because they

2459
01:48:50,090 --> 01:48:47,880
just hide it from them so when we were

2460
01:48:52,880 --> 01:48:50,100
talking about this recent revelation on

2461
01:48:54,770 --> 01:48:52,890
the Pentagon UFO program which one

2462
01:48:57,430 --> 01:48:54,780
honestly my personal belief is it's one

2463
01:48:59,780 --> 01:48:57,440
of many it just happened to get revealed

2464
01:49:01,940 --> 01:48:59,790
and everyone's always said these

2465
01:49:03,290 --> 01:49:01,950
agencies are very compartmentalized and

2466
01:49:06,350 --> 01:49:03,300
they compete we want to know that sort

2467
01:49:10,190 --> 01:49:06,360
of thing but if you have anomalous

2468
01:49:13,400 --> 01:49:10,200
objects whizzing around in the air space

2469
01:49:17,930 --> 01:49:13,410
right and you scramble jets to intercept

2470
01:49:20,900 --> 01:49:17,940
and you're unable to do so that would be

2471
01:49:23,330 --> 01:49:20,910
an issue of national security right yeah

2472
01:49:27,860 --> 01:49:23,340
so one of these guys said to me yeah so

2473
01:49:29,900 --> 01:49:27,870
I there must be a secrecy clause

2474
01:49:31,520 --> 01:49:29,910
somewhere in these agencies that if it

2475
01:49:36,220 --> 01:49:31,530
affects national security it won't see

2476
01:49:44,810 --> 01:49:41,030
and so I remember talking about some of

2477
01:49:46,910 --> 01:49:44,820
these video clips from the f-18 so I

2478
01:49:48,500 --> 01:49:46,920
guess the cockpit cameras they were

2479
01:49:53,660 --> 01:49:48,510
having when they were chasing these UFOs

2480
01:49:55,760 --> 01:49:53,670
and I thought gosh you know these pilots

2481
01:49:58,660 --> 01:49:55,770
are talking about these objects

2482
01:50:01,430 --> 01:49:58,670
performing maneuvers that just you know

2483
01:50:04,460 --> 01:50:01,440
making a joke out of their f-18 where

2484
01:50:07,310 --> 01:50:04,470
are those maneuvers it's like well those

2485
01:50:09,260 --> 01:50:07,320
were extracted from system released

2486
01:50:11,360 --> 01:50:09,270
because they exhibit flight

2487
01:50:13,700 --> 01:50:11,370
characteristics that are beyond there

2488
01:50:14,960 --> 01:50:13,710
are an issue of national security isn't

2489
01:50:16,550 --> 01:50:14,970
that kind of funny it's like you know

2490
01:50:18,500 --> 01:50:16,560
basically demonstrating that their

2491
01:50:23,780 --> 01:50:18,510
object that fly rings around our fastest

2492
01:50:27,560 --> 01:50:23,790
planes right so you know they seem to be

2493
01:50:29,750 --> 01:50:27,570
I don't know and I don't know what

2494
01:50:31,940 --> 01:50:29,760
agency would have authorized the release

2495
01:50:34,700 --> 01:50:31,950
of that information that ended up on the

2496
01:50:39,190 --> 01:50:34,710
front page of the New York Times the CIA

2497
01:50:42,710 --> 01:50:39,200
was at the DIA with a PA that day like

2498
01:50:44,330 --> 01:50:42,720
wow yeah listen we only have a few

2499
01:50:46,250 --> 01:50:44,340
minutes left and I'm gonna ask if you

2500
01:50:49,310 --> 01:50:46,260
gentlemen don't mind hanging on

2501
01:50:53,030 --> 01:50:49,320
afterwards after I close the show just

2502
01:50:56,450 --> 01:50:53,040
for a minute because there's some

2503
01:50:58,730 --> 01:50:56,460
questions that are have come in that I'd

2504
01:51:00,590 --> 01:50:58,740
like to answer with people if that's

2505
01:51:03,320 --> 01:51:00,600
okay just like a few minutes after if

2506
01:51:06,080 --> 01:51:03,330
that's all right so I'm good with that

2507
01:51:08,540 --> 01:51:06,090
I'm good yeah we have a we have like

2508
01:51:12,260 --> 01:51:08,550
less than five minutes left someone in

2509
01:51:15,500 --> 01:51:12,270
the chat room just asks if if there was

2510
01:51:20,150 --> 01:51:15,510
any credible evidence to the gate c-17

2511
01:51:22,550 --> 01:51:20,160
the Chicago O'Hare incident back in 2006

2512
01:51:25,190 --> 01:51:22,560
that's what I'm recalling so I don't

2513
01:51:29,000 --> 01:51:25,200
know if anyone wants to take that in

2514
01:51:31,280 --> 01:51:29,010
particular I I don't know all of the

2515
01:51:36,200 --> 01:51:31,290
exact details of that case but I have

2516
01:51:38,570 --> 01:51:36,210
never read or heard any hard-nosed

2517
01:51:42,680 --> 01:51:38,580
skeptics or debunkers come up with a

2518
01:51:45,380 --> 01:51:42,690
real logical workable explanation of

2519
01:51:47,840 --> 01:51:45,390
what a lot of people saw that day over

2520
01:51:48,979 --> 01:51:47,850
O'Hare Airport with this saucer shaped

2521
01:51:52,129 --> 01:51:48,989
thing it was

2522
01:51:54,620 --> 01:51:52,139
it was like underneath a very cloudy sky

2523
01:51:56,810 --> 01:51:54,630
and then it varied in front of a lot of

2524
01:51:59,540 --> 01:51:56,820
people it just went straight up and it

2525
01:52:02,149 --> 01:51:59,550
punched a hole through the clouds and

2526
01:52:05,450 --> 01:52:02,159
and when the object was gone the hole

2527
01:52:11,049 --> 01:52:05,460
was still there I mean do we have

2528
01:52:16,549 --> 01:52:11,059
anything that can do that you guys I was

2529
01:52:18,770 --> 01:52:16,559
it was 2008 January and I was in Arizona

2530
01:52:21,020 --> 01:52:18,780
I was in I was in I was in Arizona

2531
01:52:22,819 --> 01:52:21,030
Phoenix and I was doing some follow-up

2532
01:52:24,560 --> 01:52:22,829
interviews or what I thought at the time

2533
01:52:26,299 --> 01:52:24,570
was gonna be a rerelease about the blue

2534
01:52:29,930 --> 01:52:26,309
turned out to morph into I know what I

2535
01:52:31,759 --> 01:52:29,940
saw and I get a phone call from CNN and

2536
01:52:35,750 --> 01:52:31,769
they're like and in fact we had tickets

2537
01:52:38,149 --> 01:52:35,760
to go to O'Hare Airport and and see what

2538
01:52:40,220 --> 01:52:38,159
we could we could turn up from that

2539
01:52:42,410 --> 01:52:40,230
incident cuz it just happened in 2006 I

2540
01:52:44,209 --> 01:52:42,420
was like the only only two years and I

2541
01:52:47,359 --> 01:52:44,219
was in touch with a couple of United

2542
01:52:50,470 --> 01:52:47,369
Airlines personnel and I was actually

2543
01:52:52,970 --> 01:52:50,480
talking with them over the phone and and

2544
01:52:54,919 --> 01:52:52,980
they confirmed for me they all thought

2545
01:52:57,290 --> 01:52:54,929
is they hovered there for quite some

2546
01:52:58,489 --> 01:52:57,300
time someone some pilot took a

2547
01:53:00,589 --> 01:52:58,499
photograph of it I don't know what

2548
01:53:03,739 --> 01:53:00,599
happened to that photograph but these

2549
01:53:06,169 --> 01:53:03,749
guys would not come he said to me

2550
01:53:08,149 --> 01:53:06,179
literally the guy said if you if you can

2551
01:53:11,060 --> 01:53:08,159
guarantee me that I'm not gonna lose my

2552
01:53:12,950 --> 01:53:11,070
job or they cover my my paycheck if I do

2553
01:53:14,629 --> 01:53:12,960
lose my job the only way I'm gonna come

2554
01:53:17,060 --> 01:53:14,639
forward because that you know the

2555
01:53:18,799 --> 01:53:17,070
airline said unequivocally you talk

2556
01:53:20,720 --> 01:53:18,809
about this probably you're fired

2557
01:53:23,770 --> 01:53:20,730
all right well let's though let's

2558
01:53:27,560 --> 01:53:23,780
address that real quickly so how long

2559
01:53:30,200 --> 01:53:27,570
does someone stay in the in the airline

2560
01:53:32,350 --> 01:53:30,210
you know field they could they could

2561
01:53:34,879 --> 01:53:32,360
drop out why can't they talk about it

2562
01:53:38,750 --> 01:53:34,889
you know if they're a waiter now or if

2563
01:53:40,220 --> 01:53:38,760
they're you know cutting hair I'm sure

2564
01:53:42,350 --> 01:53:40,230
they could I'm sure they could it's just

2565
01:53:45,020 --> 01:53:42,360
a matter of following up you know with

2566
01:53:46,430 --> 01:53:45,030
these people look I I tracked down I'll

2567
01:53:48,950 --> 01:53:46,440
never forget this actually learned a

2568
01:53:54,410 --> 01:53:48,960
little Japanese I tracked down can do

2569
01:53:56,689 --> 01:53:54,420
two Rocchi suppose that 1986 within with

2570
01:54:02,469 --> 01:53:56,699
the FAA stopped with John Callahan

2571
01:54:04,270 --> 01:54:02,479
Franco Callahan said yes JL exactly take

2572
01:54:05,859 --> 01:54:04,280
and I'll only tell you National Press

2573
01:54:07,689 --> 01:54:05,869
Club event if you can get the pilot to

2574
01:54:11,290 --> 01:54:07,699
come to testify as well well that was

2575
01:54:12,969 --> 01:54:11,300
like 1986 this was 2008 I'm sorry 2007 I

2576
01:54:15,640 --> 01:54:12,979
thought we'll gosh that was long enough

2577
01:54:17,949 --> 01:54:15,650
time well he'll kind of come forward so

2578
01:54:19,509 --> 01:54:17,959
I I hire a private investigator I get

2579
01:54:20,620 --> 01:54:19,519
his phone number long story short get

2580
01:54:23,290 --> 01:54:20,630
his phone number I learn a little

2581
01:54:25,540 --> 01:54:23,300
Japanese so I can introduce myself I get

2582
01:54:27,100 --> 01:54:25,550
his wife on the phone and I introduce

2583
01:54:37,359 --> 01:54:27,110
myself in Japanese I they're all written

2584
01:54:42,310 --> 01:54:37,369
down and she said well at least you

2585
01:54:45,910 --> 01:54:42,320
learn some Japanese yeah Wow interesting

2586
01:54:50,439 --> 01:54:45,920
I think we're really close to the end of

2587
01:54:53,129 --> 01:54:50,449
the show just to let you know it's time

2588
01:54:57,009 --> 01:54:53,139
to wrap so if you'd hang on everyone

2589
01:54:59,739 --> 01:54:57,019
just hang in but I want to say goodbye

2590
01:55:02,199 --> 01:54:59,749
to our KCRA audience if you would thanks

2591
01:55:06,489 --> 01:55:02,209
so much for being on the show thank you

2592
01:55:08,680 --> 01:55:06,499
thank you thank you all right so I'm

2593
01:55:12,189 --> 01:55:08,690
just gonna close out real quickly here

2594
01:55:16,270 --> 01:55:12,199
all right so that's it for for the show

2595
01:55:19,180 --> 01:55:16,280
and for kgr a want to thank you all for

2596
01:55:21,640 --> 01:55:19,190
listening over there so I just wanted to

2597
01:55:24,250 --> 01:55:21,650
know real click it real quickly if

2598
01:55:26,049 --> 01:55:24,260
anyone if you guys are up for taking a

2599
01:55:28,089 --> 01:55:26,059
call I mean we're still live on YouTube

2600
01:55:29,799 --> 01:55:28,099
if you'd like to take a call let me know

2601
01:55:33,430 --> 01:55:29,809
is that something you'd be willing to do

2602
01:55:34,810 --> 01:55:33,440
I'm oh sure yeah why not okay so anyone

2603
01:55:37,779 --> 01:55:34,820
can call in right now if you have a

2604
01:55:40,270 --> 01:55:37,789
question for any of our guests you can

2605
01:55:41,910 --> 01:55:40,280
call in but I feel like I could talk

2606
01:55:44,589 --> 01:55:41,920
like another three hours and I know you

2607
01:55:50,919 --> 01:55:44,599
especially James you are really pressed

2608
01:55:52,750 --> 01:55:50,929
to move on but is there anything else

2609
01:55:55,959 --> 01:55:52,760
you can tell us

2610
01:55:58,149 --> 01:55:55,969
James any other particular story that's

2611
01:56:00,370 --> 01:55:58,159
included in this movie that just you

2612
01:56:02,379 --> 01:56:00,380
just learn more new information that you

2613
01:56:04,239 --> 01:56:02,389
never knew about and was kind of blown

2614
01:56:05,859 --> 01:56:04,249
away by it is there anything that comes

2615
01:56:08,589 --> 01:56:05,869
to mind James are you still there I

2616
01:56:10,510 --> 01:56:08,599
think oh did we I think we lost James oh

2617
01:56:11,859 --> 01:56:10,520
no

2618
01:56:16,080 --> 01:56:11,869
[Music]

2619
01:56:20,169 --> 01:56:16,090
soli I'll toss that over to you oh wow

2620
01:56:26,580 --> 01:56:20,179
there there have been yes to answer your

2621
01:56:31,029 --> 01:56:26,590
question yes there have been a number of

2622
01:56:35,700 --> 01:56:31,039
instances where in the course of doing

2623
01:56:38,229 --> 01:56:35,710
an interview with someone very prominent

2624
01:56:40,149 --> 01:56:38,239
where the James and I would approach the

2625
01:56:43,839 --> 01:56:40,159
interview with specific questions that

2626
01:56:45,939 --> 01:56:43,849
we we came prepared to ask and because

2627
01:56:48,069 --> 01:56:45,949
we we kind of knew that there were

2628
01:56:50,859 --> 01:56:48,079
certain areas because in doing a

2629
01:56:52,450 --> 01:56:50,869
pre-interview it's always a good idea to

2630
01:56:54,459 --> 01:56:52,460
talk to someone ahead of time and say

2631
01:56:56,770 --> 01:56:54,469
are there specific things that you would

2632
01:57:00,069 --> 01:56:56,780
rather not talk about so that there are

2633
01:57:01,989 --> 01:57:00,079
no there are no surprises so that the

2634
01:57:05,049 --> 01:57:01,999
person doesn't feel put off and get

2635
01:57:07,000 --> 01:57:05,059
nervous and and so I I don't like to

2636
01:57:09,000 --> 01:57:07,010
give away the questions that I'm going

2637
01:57:11,620 --> 01:57:09,010
to ask but I at least want the person to

2638
01:57:13,839 --> 01:57:11,630
always feel comfortable throughout the

2639
01:57:20,520 --> 01:57:13,849
interview yeah and there were a couple

2640
01:57:25,660 --> 01:57:20,530
of interviews where neither James or I

2641
01:57:27,040 --> 01:57:25,670
had to ask a question that could have

2642
01:57:28,989 --> 01:57:27,050
been considered very controversial

2643
01:57:32,109 --> 01:57:28,999
because the subject of the interview

2644
01:57:34,419 --> 01:57:32,119
brought it up themselves as a neck right

2645
01:57:40,660 --> 01:57:34,429
well it was like what what what did you

2646
01:57:42,399 --> 01:57:40,670
just say what what and and and in fact

2647
01:57:45,729 --> 01:57:42,409
one of the people and I won't I won't

2648
01:57:49,239 --> 01:57:45,739
say who it is yet but this person we

2649
01:57:51,640 --> 01:57:49,249
were interviewing and and he at first I

2650
01:57:54,819 --> 01:57:51,650
didn't when we first approached him he

2651
01:57:56,200 --> 01:57:54,829
didn't want anything to do with being

2652
01:58:00,399 --> 01:57:56,210
interviewed on camera

2653
01:58:05,470 --> 01:58:00,409
at all until he finally after a very

2654
01:58:08,439 --> 01:58:05,480
delicate prodding agreed to to talk

2655
01:58:11,350 --> 01:58:08,449
about certain things and James and I

2656
01:58:13,569 --> 01:58:11,360
were were blown away where we sat with

2657
01:58:16,989 --> 01:58:13,579
this individual for just under three

2658
01:58:19,509 --> 01:58:16,999
hours for the interview well and at one

2659
01:58:22,750 --> 01:58:19,519
point during the interview he held up a

2660
01:58:25,229 --> 01:58:22,760
piece of paper that was in his lap and

2661
01:58:29,020 --> 01:58:25,239
he said I'm going to show you something

2662
01:58:31,120 --> 01:58:29,030
that I wasn't going to do or plan on

2663
01:58:33,879 --> 01:58:31,130
doing but I feel like I should say

2664
01:58:37,919 --> 01:58:33,889
something this is what could be called a

2665
01:58:42,370 --> 01:58:37,929
smoking gun and it was it was a

2666
01:58:46,320 --> 01:58:42,380
previously classified document that

2667
01:58:48,490 --> 01:58:46,330
pretty much was written by high-ranking

2668
01:58:51,729 --> 01:58:48,500
officials and and they were trying to

2669
01:58:53,800 --> 01:58:51,739
spell out the current belief of UFOs and

2670
01:58:56,110 --> 01:58:53,810
there been many documents like that when

2671
01:58:58,629 --> 01:58:56,120
I say there's been disclosure I have

2672
01:59:01,930 --> 01:58:58,639
found some of these documents dr. J

2673
01:59:05,020 --> 01:59:01,940
Allen Hynek gave me such a document that

2674
01:59:07,840 --> 01:59:05,030
we then included in our packet of

2675
01:59:10,780 --> 01:59:07,850
documents that we gave out to all the

2676
01:59:15,070 --> 01:59:10,790
nations of the world in 1978 and to the

2677
01:59:17,919 --> 01:59:15,080
media because he said I mean I said to

2678
01:59:20,080 --> 01:59:17,929
him I was I was at his office one day in

2679
01:59:24,189 --> 01:59:20,090
the middle of 1978 while we were still

2680
01:59:27,040 --> 01:59:24,199
working on gathering materials for the

2681
01:59:28,810 --> 01:59:27,050
presentation in November and I said as

2682
01:59:31,800 --> 01:59:28,820
an Alan you know we've got some nice

2683
01:59:35,260 --> 01:59:31,810
documents here that go back to 1947 but

2684
01:59:37,629 --> 01:59:35,270
do you head to him I was very honest we

2685
01:59:38,860 --> 01:59:37,639
were friends I said look you with the

2686
01:59:41,169 --> 01:59:38,870
airforce you were their official

2687
01:59:44,590 --> 01:59:41,179
scientific consultant for a couple 20

2688
01:59:49,030 --> 01:59:44,600
years I have to believe that you had

2689
01:59:50,410 --> 01:59:49,040
access to some filing cabinets yeah the

2690
01:59:54,040 --> 01:59:50,420
kind of filing cabinets that look like

2691
01:59:58,870 --> 01:59:54,050
David Mahler's filing cabinets oh by the

2692
02:00:00,760 --> 01:59:58,880
way David Lee told me to tell you that

2693
02:00:02,770 --> 02:00:00,770
you know nothing about antiques you

2694
02:00:04,660 --> 02:00:02,780
didn't even know at the I mean nothing

2695
02:00:06,550 --> 02:00:04,670
about UFO so it's funny I've said that

2696
02:00:07,720 --> 02:00:06,560
nothing about UFOs as a matter of fact

2697
02:00:11,200 --> 02:00:07,730
you didn't even know what the acronym

2698
02:00:12,459 --> 02:00:11,210
stood for and if you wanna and if you

2699
02:00:13,350 --> 02:00:12,469
want to keep it you want to keep it

2700
02:00:16,750 --> 02:00:13,360
straight

2701
02:00:31,780 --> 02:00:16,760
Martin I told David that you know

2702
02:00:33,550 --> 02:00:31,790
nothing about antiques that's funny I

2703
02:00:37,510 --> 02:00:33,560
can't believe I slipped that up like

2704
02:00:38,399 --> 02:00:37,520
that - that's okay okay someone wanted

2705
02:00:42,250 --> 02:00:38,409
to know

2706
02:00:43,779 --> 02:00:42,260
what and we're gonna take just a couple

2707
02:00:46,299 --> 02:00:43,789
more minutes here so if anyone that

2708
02:00:48,129 --> 02:00:46,309
wants to call in they are welcome to

2709
02:00:52,720 --> 02:00:48,139
call in the numbers up on the screen on

2710
02:00:55,270 --> 02:00:52,730
YouTube but Bambi wanted to know what

2711
02:00:58,479 --> 02:00:55,280
effect has Hollywood had on the

2712
02:01:00,310 --> 02:00:58,489
disclosure project in other words since

2713
02:01:02,290 --> 02:01:00,320
the articles come out I guess that's

2714
02:01:04,600 --> 02:01:02,300
what she means on the New York Times I

2715
02:01:05,229 --> 02:01:04,610
haven't seen anything really change that

2716
02:01:08,680 --> 02:01:05,239
much

2717
02:01:12,520 --> 02:01:08,690
or maybe she's wording it has that made

2718
02:01:15,729 --> 02:01:12,530
any I think maybe she's asking has

2719
02:01:17,410 --> 02:01:15,739
Hollywood helped as far as people

2720
02:01:19,450 --> 02:01:17,420
looking into the subject more I think

2721
02:01:25,359 --> 02:01:19,460
that's maybe what she's talking about I

2722
02:01:26,529 --> 02:01:25,369
don't know if like Steven Spielberg's

2723
02:01:30,790 --> 02:01:26,539
work and things like that

2724
02:01:33,459 --> 02:01:30,800
the Third Kind I think I think even

2725
02:01:35,890 --> 02:01:33,469
before Close Encounters you take a you

2726
02:01:39,270 --> 02:01:35,900
take a picture like the original The Day

2727
02:01:44,709 --> 02:01:39,280
the Earth Stood Still which was a

2728
02:01:47,740 --> 02:01:44,719
totally Cold War era picture of a real

2729
02:01:49,089 --> 02:01:47,750
flying saucer being tracked by radar all

2730
02:01:51,160 --> 02:01:49,099
around the world and it ends up in

2731
02:01:52,450 --> 02:01:51,170
Washington and landing right there on

2732
02:01:57,010 --> 02:01:52,460
the lawn in front of the Washington

2733
02:02:00,549 --> 02:01:57,020
Monument and and this humanoid walks out

2734
02:02:03,520 --> 02:02:00,559
with his robot companion and he only

2735
02:02:06,069 --> 02:02:03,530
wants to talk to you know the heads of

2736
02:02:09,549 --> 02:02:06,079
every country and he goes to the whole

2737
02:02:12,069 --> 02:02:09,559
movie up against the the political

2738
02:02:15,129 --> 02:02:12,079
resistance of anybody wanting to talk to

2739
02:02:18,669 --> 02:02:15,139
him and and so on and so nobody can

2740
02:02:21,520 --> 02:02:18,679
arrange the meeting that he wants and he

2741
02:02:25,709 --> 02:02:21,530
ends up going to the home of this famous

2742
02:02:28,330 --> 02:02:25,719
top scientists of the day and he says

2743
02:02:30,220 --> 02:02:28,340
nobody in at the at the heads of your

2744
02:02:34,600 --> 02:02:30,230
governments wants to hear what I have to

2745
02:02:36,370 --> 02:02:34,610
say do I have to do anything dramatic to

2746
02:02:40,120 --> 02:02:36,380
this planet to get you to listen to me

2747
02:02:42,010 --> 02:02:40,130
and and and he said well the scientist

2748
02:02:44,799 --> 02:02:42,020
said well what what do you mean by by

2749
02:02:46,779 --> 02:02:44,809
dramatic he said like my robot back

2750
02:02:48,939 --> 02:02:46,789
there standing next to the saucer he has

2751
02:02:50,740 --> 02:02:48,949
the power to turn this world of yours

2752
02:02:53,700 --> 02:02:50,750
into a burned-out cinder

2753
02:02:57,700 --> 02:02:53,710
and and the scientist says such power

2754
02:03:02,440 --> 02:02:57,710
exists and Klaatu says trust me such

2755
02:03:04,090 --> 02:03:02,450
power exists and and so the scientist

2756
02:03:05,890 --> 02:03:04,100
said well I I could arrange a meeting

2757
02:03:08,530 --> 02:03:05,900
where all the top scientists of the

2758
02:03:11,140 --> 02:03:08,540
world to come together if that if that

2759
02:03:14,200 --> 02:03:11,150
would be possible we wouldn't want you

2760
02:03:15,400 --> 02:03:14,210
to hurt any people you you know and he

2761
02:03:17,380 --> 02:03:15,410
said can you guarantee that

2762
02:03:20,230 --> 02:03:17,390
Klaatu says well it's a it's an

2763
02:03:24,820 --> 02:03:20,240
interesting problem would Friday at

2764
02:03:26,920 --> 02:03:24,830
12:30 be good for you someone that we

2765
02:03:30,940 --> 02:03:26,930
have someone that just called in I think

2766
02:03:32,560 --> 02:03:30,950
they can you hear me call her yeah I

2767
02:03:34,060 --> 02:03:32,570
know you tried to call her try to answer

2768
02:03:35,770 --> 02:03:34,070
your call several times I'm not sure

2769
02:03:38,470 --> 02:03:35,780
what happened but what's your first name

2770
02:03:39,840 --> 02:03:38,480
week I see what's your first name and

2771
02:03:43,930 --> 02:03:39,850
where are you calling from

2772
02:03:47,910 --> 02:03:43,940
Kim British Columbia welcome to the show

2773
02:03:50,170 --> 02:03:47,920
you have a question okay Dave burly

2774
02:03:55,450 --> 02:03:50,180
pardon me do you have a question for our

2775
02:03:58,810 --> 02:03:55,460
guests well I have something to add if I

2776
02:04:01,780 --> 02:03:58,820
may Monica told me to phone in here oh

2777
02:04:04,630 --> 02:04:01,790
just on the YouTube live chat what I

2778
02:04:06,070 --> 02:04:04,640
have to say is that I'm a real science

2779
02:04:08,110 --> 02:04:06,080
guy I have a degree in engineering I've

2780
02:04:10,420 --> 02:04:08,120
been studying science all my life I've

2781
02:04:13,330 --> 02:04:10,430
done science for a living okay and I

2782
02:04:14,950 --> 02:04:13,340
give talks to interpret science to the

2783
02:04:16,240 --> 02:04:14,960
public all the sort of thing and what I

2784
02:04:21,190 --> 02:04:16,250
have to say about science is that we

2785
02:04:25,330 --> 02:04:21,200
don't know very much at all we humans we

2786
02:04:28,360 --> 02:04:25,340
really don't know very much and I've had

2787
02:04:31,810 --> 02:04:28,370
paranormal experiences myself I had one

2788
02:04:34,270 --> 02:04:31,820
sighting of UFOs I've had a number of

2789
02:04:37,450 --> 02:04:34,280
other paranormal experiences that are

2790
02:04:43,330 --> 02:04:37,460
beyond science oh far outside of what I

2791
02:04:46,330 --> 02:04:43,340
know science to be okay yeah yeah that's

2792
02:04:49,330 --> 02:04:46,340
all just in just the science point of

2793
02:04:52,750 --> 02:04:49,340
view is that we really don't know much

2794
02:04:56,470 --> 02:04:52,760
our sciences is is very small very very

2795
02:04:59,550 --> 02:04:56,480
small well and when you when you look

2796
02:05:02,280 --> 02:04:59,560
back historically at you know who

2797
02:05:03,850 --> 02:05:02,290
discovered gravity who discovered

2798
02:05:06,040 --> 02:05:03,860
lightning who

2799
02:05:09,660 --> 02:05:06,050
discovered you know all the all the

2800
02:05:14,850 --> 02:05:09,670
great discoveries of science of flight

2801
02:05:17,740 --> 02:05:14,860
happened during times of history when

2802
02:05:19,870 --> 02:05:17,750
there's no way that these people would

2803
02:05:23,560 --> 02:05:19,880
have would have would have survived

2804
02:05:25,240 --> 02:05:23,570
being stoned by by the population

2805
02:05:27,730 --> 02:05:25,250
because they were they were talking

2806
02:05:28,780 --> 02:05:27,740
heresy you can't talk through things to

2807
02:05:31,960 --> 02:05:28,790
us about things like that

2808
02:05:35,460 --> 02:05:31,970
know that you we cannot have machines

2809
02:05:38,980 --> 02:05:35,470
that fly in the air and yet historically

2810
02:05:41,710 --> 02:05:38,990
humans have been recording many

2811
02:05:44,410 --> 02:05:41,720
instances of things flying in the air

2812
02:05:48,640 --> 02:05:44,420
that are machines so you can't have it

2813
02:05:50,530 --> 02:05:48,650
both ways yeah yeah I agree

2814
02:05:53,860 --> 02:05:50,540
yeah there's no reason why we couldn't

2815
02:05:56,560 --> 02:05:53,870
team gravity someday our top physicists

2816
02:05:59,470 --> 02:05:56,570
now are trying to figure out what is

2817
02:06:01,630 --> 02:05:59,480
gravity they don't know another top my

2818
02:06:04,450 --> 02:06:01,640
favorite theory co physicists right now

2819
02:06:08,740 --> 02:06:04,460
is working on what is time we don't know

2820
02:06:11,440 --> 02:06:08,750
what time is yes it just seems to be a

2821
02:06:14,310 --> 02:06:11,450
forward ratchet as far as we know it

2822
02:06:16,690 --> 02:06:14,320
ratchets forward and never goes back

2823
02:06:18,340 --> 02:06:16,700
yeah you know I can you break your leg

2824
02:06:23,830 --> 02:06:18,350
you wish you could take that last second

2825
02:06:27,820 --> 02:06:23,840
back you know what one of my interviews

2826
02:06:31,690 --> 02:06:27,830
that I did in the 1970s and into the 80s

2827
02:06:34,720 --> 02:06:31,700
with former astronaut Gordon Cooper and

2828
02:06:38,950 --> 02:06:34,730
I did an interview of the month for Omni

2829
02:06:42,160 --> 02:06:38,960
magazine back then and we were

2830
02:06:46,540 --> 02:06:42,170
discussing his interest in UFOs his

2831
02:06:49,720 --> 02:06:46,550
experience with UFOs and and I said is

2832
02:06:51,910 --> 02:06:49,730
there anything going on in science that

2833
02:06:54,310 --> 02:06:51,920
you and I haven't talked about that you

2834
02:06:59,230 --> 02:06:54,320
think would be of interest to me or to

2835
02:07:02,740 --> 02:06:59,240
my readers and he said well I I have

2836
02:07:05,920 --> 02:07:02,750
some scientific friends who are right

2837
02:07:09,550 --> 02:07:05,930
now again this was 1980 who are right

2838
02:07:12,940 --> 02:07:09,560
now working on a possible working model

2839
02:07:16,360 --> 02:07:12,950
of a time machine and I went oh you just

2840
02:07:19,030 --> 02:07:16,370
got my attention Gordon what

2841
02:07:21,970 --> 02:07:19,040
a time machine and what what exactly

2842
02:07:24,520 --> 02:07:21,980
we're talking George pal HG Wells sit

2843
02:07:26,470 --> 02:07:24,530
sit in a chair and go into the future I

2844
02:07:28,660 --> 02:07:26,480
mean what are you talking about

2845
02:07:31,420 --> 02:07:28,670
he said well yeah they think that

2846
02:07:34,030 --> 02:07:31,430
theoretically because we don't know that

2847
02:07:37,780 --> 02:07:34,040
much about time and how it works time

2848
02:07:39,340 --> 02:07:37,790
and space and so they believe that there

2849
02:07:42,160 --> 02:07:39,350
is a thing called and I never forgot

2850
02:07:45,490 --> 02:07:42,170
this called orthogonal rotation

2851
02:07:48,580 --> 02:07:45,500
something about how if if a thing can

2852
02:07:52,570 --> 02:07:48,590
somehow rotate in a certain way at a

2853
02:07:56,140 --> 02:07:52,580
certain velocity that it can slip the

2854
02:07:58,960 --> 02:07:56,150
bounds and go one way or the other so I

2855
02:08:02,020 --> 02:07:58,970
I said to him do they have a working

2856
02:08:04,000 --> 02:08:02,030
model yet your scientific friends he

2857
02:08:07,050 --> 02:08:04,010
said no but they're they feel like

2858
02:08:09,550 --> 02:08:07,060
they're getting closer and I said okay

2859
02:08:11,260 --> 02:08:09,560
what do they think that they can build

2860
02:08:14,170 --> 02:08:11,270
something that can go in either

2861
02:08:17,470 --> 02:08:14,180
direction or both directions and he said

2862
02:08:19,720 --> 02:08:17,480
no they don't really have that figured

2863
02:08:21,730 --> 02:08:19,730
out yet they don't think they say that

2864
02:08:24,280 --> 02:08:21,740
if if somebody would be able to travel

2865
02:08:27,790 --> 02:08:24,290
through time they may only be able to go

2866
02:08:30,220 --> 02:08:27,800
to the past or to the future so I I said

2867
02:08:32,770 --> 02:08:30,230
to him Gordon and he was a family man

2868
02:08:37,210 --> 02:08:32,780
said Gordon who would be stupid enough

2869
02:08:39,520 --> 02:08:37,220
to sit in such a vehicle and take what

2870
02:08:45,010 --> 02:08:39,530
could possibly be a one-way trip and he

2871
02:08:48,130 --> 02:08:45,020
said you're looking at him okay that got

2872
02:08:48,880 --> 02:08:48,140
my attention like wow and I said no now

2873
02:08:51,820 --> 02:08:48,890
wait a minute

2874
02:08:55,480 --> 02:08:51,830
Gordo I mean are you kidding you would

2875
02:08:57,880 --> 02:08:55,490
give up everything just to - for the the

2876
02:09:01,390 --> 02:08:57,890
challenge of it he said you don't forget

2877
02:09:04,090 --> 02:09:01,400
I'm one of the original group of the

2878
02:09:07,950 --> 02:09:04,100
right stuff where we would do anything

2879
02:09:11,230 --> 02:09:07,960
and many of us many of our friends died

2880
02:09:14,800 --> 02:09:11,240
during flights of testing new aircraft

2881
02:09:17,740 --> 02:09:14,810
and earth systems and so and even today

2882
02:09:20,680 --> 02:09:17,750
modern modern jet fighter pilots today

2883
02:09:21,580 --> 02:09:20,690
will do almost anything to get to that

2884
02:09:24,100 --> 02:09:21,590
next level

2885
02:09:26,320 --> 02:09:24,110
you see yeah any one of us probably

2886
02:09:27,610 --> 02:09:26,330
would have taken the risk and at that

2887
02:09:29,950 --> 02:09:27,620
and that just blew me away

2888
02:09:33,520 --> 02:09:29,960
so now that was 1980 how many

2889
02:09:36,640 --> 02:09:33,530
years ago was at 18 19 2010 that was 34

2890
02:09:38,110 --> 02:09:36,650
years ago if these scientists had have

2891
02:09:41,050 --> 02:09:38,120
still worked on it over the last 30

2892
02:09:43,720 --> 02:09:41,060
years who knows what they can do now

2893
02:09:46,930 --> 02:09:43,730
which is all probably part of black

2894
02:09:49,900 --> 02:09:46,940
budgets and and the public will never

2895
02:09:50,229 --> 02:09:49,910
know about it but boy that just grabbed

2896
02:09:52,690 --> 02:09:50,239
me

2897
02:09:55,979 --> 02:09:52,700
ah Tula field when he said yeah working

2898
02:10:00,880 --> 02:09:55,989
time machine why not well you know it's

2899
02:10:04,720 --> 02:10:00,890
go ahead oh there's a top theoretical

2900
02:10:09,070 --> 02:10:04,730
physicist named Lee Smolin that le e

2901
02:10:11,140 --> 02:10:09,080
capital S M o Li and you can search him

2902
02:10:14,170 --> 02:10:11,150
he said he's the top guy working on time

2903
02:10:17,020 --> 02:10:14,180
right now and he says he says I'm

2904
02:10:19,030 --> 02:10:17,030
working on a new theory of time and he's

2905
02:10:24,070 --> 02:10:19,040
really amazing guy I like him a lot

2906
02:10:26,170 --> 02:10:24,080
Wow Lee Smolin I'll check him out thank

2907
02:10:28,510 --> 02:10:26,180
you well hey thanks for the call I think

2908
02:10:31,720 --> 02:10:28,520
we probably we had someone saying they

2909
02:10:35,350 --> 02:10:31,730
were going to call from Europe but dude

2910
02:10:37,510 --> 02:10:35,360
I do appreciate the call and we are just

2911
02:10:40,060 --> 02:10:37,520
about ready to wrap up unless that call

2912
02:10:42,760 --> 02:10:40,070
comes in within a minute gentlemen it's

2913
02:10:45,330 --> 02:10:42,770
been so much fun I've really had such a

2914
02:10:48,340 --> 02:10:45,340
great night with you guys thank you

2915
02:10:54,880 --> 02:10:48,350
Arden when did when does the second hour

2916
02:10:56,680 --> 02:10:54,890
start now for us I guess Martin I should

2917
02:10:59,650 --> 02:10:56,690
have said this when we were on KCRA but

2918
02:11:02,350 --> 02:10:59,660
congratulations good good job tonight

2919
02:11:05,620 --> 02:11:02,360
I'm on the premiere show well thank you

2920
02:11:07,390 --> 02:11:05,630
oh geez I'm glad luckily I have a Evan

2921
02:11:09,250 --> 02:11:07,400
behind the scenes doing all the work on

2922
02:11:11,950 --> 02:11:09,260
the youtubes so everything seemed to

2923
02:11:14,200 --> 02:11:11,960
work fine but uh I really do I really

2924
02:11:15,940 --> 02:11:14,210
had a great time and I wish I could go

2925
02:11:20,170 --> 02:11:15,950
another four hours but thanks so much

2926
02:11:27,400 --> 02:11:20,180
both of you Oh does that mean we can

2927
02:11:29,680 --> 02:11:27,410
actually hang up now yeah take care all

2928
02:11:31,930 --> 02:11:29,690
right all right good night everyone

2929
02:11:35,380 --> 02:11:31,940
all right all right everyone so you

2930
02:11:37,209 --> 02:11:35,390
heard me do the outro earlier but that's

2931
02:11:39,490 --> 02:11:37,219
that's it for the show tonight I want to

2932
02:11:42,190 --> 02:11:39,500
thank you all so much for hanging in and

2933
02:11:43,550 --> 02:11:42,200
listening I thought it was a great one

2934
02:11:46,370 --> 02:11:43,560
I'm really excited

2935
02:11:48,230 --> 02:11:46,380
about tonight's show and I might even

2936
02:11:50,540 --> 02:11:48,240
might be one that I actually listen to

2937
02:11:53,810 --> 02:11:50,550
again because it was that good I think

2938
02:11:57,650 --> 02:11:53,820
anyway next week we'll be back with dr.

2939
02:11:59,840 --> 02:11:57,660
Bob gross I talked to him out in howdy

2940
02:12:01,160 --> 02:11:59,850
in Phoenix this last February real

2941
02:12:03,560 --> 02:12:01,170
interesting guys should be a great show

2942
02:12:07,280 --> 02:12:03,570
and we'll be back remember our new time

2943
02:12:09,830 --> 02:12:07,290
if you want to watch live is 6 to 8 p.m.

2944
02:12:10,760 --> 02:12:09,840
every Tuesday and that's Eastern

2945
02:12:12,770 --> 02:12:10,770
Standard Time

2946
02:12:14,200 --> 02:12:12,780
thanks so much and I want to thank the

2947
02:12:17,240 --> 02:12:14,210
people who helped out with the show

2948
02:12:20,480 --> 02:12:17,250
Alejandro of course I want to thank our

2949
02:12:21,170 --> 02:12:20,490
guests Dave Marlar Ali Spiegel and James

2950
02:12:23,720 --> 02:12:21,180
Fox

2951
02:12:26,240 --> 02:12:23,730
I want to thank Evan for the working in

2952
02:12:28,250 --> 02:12:26,250
the background we have Peggy overdoing

2953
02:12:31,130 --> 02:12:28,260
our Facebook page remember to like us on

2954
02:12:33,950 --> 02:12:31,140
Facebook for all the latest UFO news

2955
02:12:36,260 --> 02:12:33,960
it's always posted up there if someone's

2956
02:12:39,680 --> 02:12:36,270
interested in doing a guest blog just

2957
02:12:41,900 --> 02:12:39,690
email me at Martin at podcast UFO calm

2958
02:12:50,560 --> 02:12:41,910
and thanks so much and remember to keep